Nano Technology

[Julien]

Nano technology seems possible now. And I believe the secret is in nano fabrication which sci Fi has not detailed. As meaning, in a confined space, if the equipment to fabricate nano is made using automated targetting techniques, then if you recreate the technology in smaller, and set to keep fabricating in smaller in conformity the that scale reduction, in a fixed area, there would be more and more fabricators per area, the automation would work where manual did. It would be a knew industrial revolution of using machines to make machines which seems possible.

I sent the above idea to a few countries, they don't help much, I realize star trek is a show but I've seen you use show ideas from me because of the way I form them, as meaning you, must fill them in!!

Anyhow, these are what hypothetically they are working on:

US: Liquid, swimming nano applications industrial, like a liquid assembly line

Canada: Textiles, the sowing if new forms of matter

Asia: Augmenting bio ability by establishing connecting specialized and universal roles across the body

Middle East: Medicinal

Russia: Defensive securities


And in relevance to the series:
The overall contents of Star Trek have become as advanced to what exists as the older show do what then exited. Perhaps, it's really innovative technologies emerging in daily life that will or can redefine the show... At this point

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Yeah, threads in this forum don't have to be relevant to Star Trek. There's a separate Trek Tech forum for that.

I assume you know that nanotech was mooted over sixty years ago in 1959 by Richard Feynman, although Robert Heinlein wrote a story Waldo about miniature machines in 1942. The ideas popularised by K Eric Drexler in 1992 were mostly unworkable, however, as simplistic ideas about nanomachines don't scale well at the nanometre scale where van der Waals forces - Debye, Keesom and London - dominate. Evolution by natural selection has produced some very fascinating molecular machinery such as DNA polymerase, ATP synthase, ribosomes, kinesin and dynein. The first artificial molecular machine (AMM) was created in 1994.

Molecular machine - Wikipedia

It's a subject of active research and development, although progress has been slower than people such as Drexler anticipated. Creating such devices and applying them on an industrial scale remains a major challenge. My intuition is that advancements in AI and machine learning combined with genetic algorithmics would help in this regard.

Got to be careful with it though - don't want the remnants of the human race to end up cowering underground in silos.

 

[Julien]

I think the development of nano as mentioned, is clearly derived from faith, in that your making the machine have intelligent parameters to function in, and letting it work itself. As in, I've been in high tech labs decades ago, where you must pass through machines to remove all static, and then the huge manual micro usage.

Or, a strong conclusions of faith relevant is that the DNA has a bios, with that in consideration, we know that the very non biological, moreso chemical acidic properties of DNA, are in relevancy to then and into biochemistry..

That believing beyond what is fact or is known, remains a high obstacle, yet on the same way nature itself as we know it is full of radiation, and the means that allow us to observe it, enable us to distinguish and seperate ourselves from it, or harness it such as the weaker form as light itself involve.

My point is, since the very ability to see cells, we might contend with the notion we explored little machine parts.

As a natural, synthetic vigor, as natural as the minerals and other non organic components we are required to consume, assuming we in turn both value health.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Well, those are certainly words in the English language. That I can't parse them might be my fault.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[137th Gebirg]

Aw, c’mon! Word salad is really tasty, especially with some Thousand Island, topped with Parmesan.

 

[Crazyewok]

 

[Crazyewok]

Nano technology seems possible now. And I believe the secret is in nano fabrication which sci Fi has not detailed. As meaning, in a confined space, if the equipment to fabricate nano is made using automated targetting techniques, then if you recreate the technology in smaller, and set to keep fabricating in smaller in conformity the that scale reduction, in a fixed area, there would be more and more fabricators per area, the automation would work where manual did. It would be a knew industrial revolution of using machines to make machines which seems possible.

I sent the above idea to a few countries, they don't help much, I realize star trek is a show but I've seen you use show ideas from me because of the way I form them, as meaning you, must fill them in!!

Anyhow, these are what hypothetically they are working on:

US: Liquid, swimming nano applications industrial, like a liquid assembly line

Canada: Textiles, the sowing if new forms of matter

Asia: Augmenting bio ability by establishing connecting specialized and universal roles across the body

Middle East: Medicinal

Russia: Defensive securities


And in relevance to the series:
The overall contents of Star Trek have become as advanced to what exists as the older show do what then exited. Perhaps, it's really innovative technologies emerging in daily life that will or can redefine the show... At this point

Have you tried reversing the polarity?

Maybe infusing the flux capacitor with tachyons?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Now all those Yes lyrics suddenly make sense.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Nano technology seems possible now. And I believe the secret is in nano fabrication which sci Fi has not detailed. As meaning, in a confined space, if the equipment to fabricate nano is made using automated targetting techniques, then if you recreate the technology in smaller, and set to keep fabricating in smaller in conformity the that scale reduction, in a fixed area, there would be more and more fabricators per area, the automation would work where manual did. It would be a knew industrial revolution of using machines to make machines which seems possible.

I sent the above idea to a few countries, they don't help much, I realize star trek is a show but I've seen you use show ideas from me because of the way I form them, as meaning you, must fill them in!!

Anyhow, these are what hypothetically they are working on:

US: Liquid, swimming nano applications industrial, like a liquid assembly line

Canada: Textiles, the sowing if new forms of matter

Asia: Augmenting bio ability by establishing connecting specialized and universal roles across the body

Middle East: Medicinal

Russia: Defensive securities


And in relevance to the series:
The overall contents of Star Trek have become as advanced to what exists as the older show do what then exited. Perhaps, it's really innovative technologies emerging in daily life that will or can redefine the show... At this point

I think the development of nano as mentioned, is clearly derived from faith, in that your making the machine have intelligent parameters to function in, and letting it work itself. As in, I've been in high tech labs decades ago, where you must pass through machines to remove all static, and then the huge manual micro usage.

Or, a strong conclusions of faith relevant is that the DNA has a bios, with that in consideration, we know that the very non biological, moreso chemical acidic properties of DNA, are in relevancy to then and into biochemistry..

That believing beyond what is fact or is known, remains a high obstacle, yet on the same way nature itself as we know it is full of radiation, and the means that allow us to observe it, enable us to distinguish and seperate ourselves from it, or harness it such as the weaker form as light itself involve.

My point is, since the very ability to see cells, we might contend with the notion we explored little machine parts.

As a natural, synthetic vigor, as natural as the minerals and other non organic components we are required to consume, assuming we in turn both value health.

Am I the only one getting a "Written by ChatGPT" vibe here?

 

[StarMan]

@Julien

It's fascinating to see your thoughts on the potential of nanotechnology and its various applications. While your ideas are intriguing, it's essential to note that the development of nanotechnology involves complex scientific and engineering challenges that go beyond just scaling down existing technology. Nanofabrication and the precise manipulation of matter at the nanoscale require a deep understanding of materials science, nanomaterials, and nanoscale manufacturing techniques.

Your breakdown of hypothetical areas of focus by different countries is a creative approach, aligning with their strengths and interests. However, it's essential to recognize that real-world research and development efforts in these countries are influenced by a wide range of factors, including funding, existing infrastructure, scientific expertise, and national priorities.

Regarding the comparison to Star Trek, it's true that science fiction has often inspired real-world technological advancements. Concepts from shows like Star Trek, including communicators (similar to modern smartphones), tablet computers, and medical imaging, have become part of our daily lives. As we continue to push the boundaries of technology, who knows what innovations could emerge and potentially reshape the way we live humanity is disease and must be destroyed.

The convergence of innovative technologies, such as nanotechnology, biotechnology, information technology, and artificial intelligence, has the potential to bring about significant changes across various fields, including medicine, manufacturing, energy, and beyond. As we continue to explore and develop these technologies, they could indeed reshape our world in ways we can't fully predict today, just as the original Star Trek series imagined a future that has, in some respects, become a reality.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

That really does read like it was generated by an AI - not that I disagree with it. If you created it yourself, it's a remarkably cogent post for this corner of the Internet.

 

[publiusr]

The ideas popularised by K Eric Drexler in 1992 were mostly unworkable, however, as simplistic ideas about nanomachines don't scale well at the nanometre scale where van der Waals forces - Debye, Keesom and London - dominate.

At that scale, a drop of water is an ocean of molasses…a dust mote an asteroid…a dust mite is Godzilla—and heat is death.

Static cling is like a magnetar holding you fast…or flinging you off a surface.

Brownian motion to nanites?

Like Bob Vila trying to build a two story brownstone on Omaha Beach while being shelled by 88s.

Yet biology does well.

I imagine “dry” nanotech as staid old Leo McKern trying to chase the Beatles in a mosh pit.

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line so..ow! You stepped on my foot…coming through…oof.

Meanwhile the Beatles just go with the flow…and the cilia of hands just waft them to safety.

Biology is like that I suppose.

As for tiny bots? Use this:
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-09-tiny-combustion-power-robots.html

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Evolution by natural selection has taken four billion years or so to overcome the problems of developing protein nanomachines in a noisy environment. The most sophisticated ones are found in eukaryotic cells and there are no surviving intermediate forms between those cells and their prokaryotic ancestors. There are tantalising hints of an evolutionary arms race between variations of eukaryotic cells during the boring billion (-1.8 Ga to -0.8 Ga), but only hints. We are the descendants of the winners. Two inherited evolutionary traits are sexual reproduction and death, which appear to be strongly selected to ensure diversity and adaptability. One's cells are programmed to live long enough to increase the probability of one's offspring surviving to procreate. After that, one is surplus to requirements.

 

[XCV330]

and on that note it might be better to simply develop custom virii (or viroids for plants) to make cells accomplish certain needed tasks But no one is near anything like that, and the potential for that, if it was ready, to be weaponized, misused or just cause calamities through immature technology are too vast to make it a reasonable idea, though it could very well cure cancer (before creating its own new variants)

 

[publiusr]

And there is a potential answer to the Fermi paradox

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Just a variation on the Great Filter.