Mystery Solved: Season 3 is set in the year 2411

[Yistaan]

So, now it's 250 years since the launch of the NX-01?

Is that where everything is pointing towards what Frontier Day is celebrating?

Matalas himself says Frontier Day is the anniversary of Broken Bow: https://trekmovie.com/2023/02/18/ex...prise-roots-of-mtalas-prime-and-frontier-day/

Considering the whole incident is an embarrassing one for the Klingons anyway (Archer: I'll take that as a thank you/Sato: Klingons don't have a word for thank you/Archer: What'd he say?/Sato: You don't want to know), I wonder if we'll see Worf celebrating.

Shaw must've put Seven through some real hell if she's already wanting out of Starfleet after literally only 3 months under him, considering the weekly horrors she encountered for years on Voyager (including a literal episode entitled 'Year of Hell').

 

[Timofnine]

You should always double check anything you read on a wiki.

I don’t trust a wiki, I am more inclined to believe all all of the official released reference books that I have bought over the years. I very rarely even look at Memory Alpha, I only do so when someone sends me a link from this website as if it is evidence justifying their argument or point.

On a similar note, I have all of the original Star Trek Fact Files, recently these have been re released (partially) as hardback books by Eaglemoss. Some of the facts are different from the original releases when I compare them. Do I trust the information as presented in my original Star Trek Fact File part work in the 1990’s or do I accept all of the minor changes in the new presentation of these works by Eaglemoss? Maybe I should Tweet Larry Nemecek for clarification, but he might be too busy to reply doing one of his bus tours or a Trekfiles episode. I’ll ask him next Tuesday.

 

[fireproof78]

Shaw must've put Seven through some real hell if she's already wanting out of Starfleet after literally only 3 months under him, considering the weekly horrors she encountered for years on Voyager (including a literal episode entitled 'Year of Hell').

Or...she just wants a different type of work. My wife has tried multiple jobs and none of them took. She finally figured out she wanted to "be her own boss" and that being able to start her own business was an ideal she wanted to work towards.

Sometimes it's not hell that makes us resign; it's realizing what our values are.

 

[Tuskin38]

They could explain the end of the E by Prodigy's season finale

The audio log said classified

but why is F getting scrapped so quickly?

It's systems were heavily damaged in its last mission according to the audio log.

Ok, I see. It was a joke. Love you man, thanks for that <3

But now, I hope when we have that Front day that dey will show us big date on billboard. We want to know current year. Is it 2402, 2403 or 2411

https://trekmovie.com/2023/02/18/ex...prise-roots-of-mtalas-prime-and-frontier-day/

 

[Timofnine]

Or...she just wants a different type of work. She finally figured out she wanted to "be her own boss" and that being able to start her own business was an ideal she wanted to work towards.

Sometimes it's not hell that makes us resign; it's realizing what our values are.

Seven can be her own boss as Captain of the Enterprise then. I am unsure as to how Seven would react to the authority of Admirals other than Picard, but most Starfleet Admirals are kn*bheads anyway going from past precedent. A spin-off can explore this, especially if Jellico or Nacheyev want to come back.

 

[fireproof78]

Seven can be her own boss as Captain of the Enterprise then. I am unsure as to how Seven would react to the authority of Admirals other than Picard, but most Starfleet Admirals are kn*bheads anyway going from past precedent. A spin-off can explore this, especially if Jellico or Nacheyev want to come back.

Maybe. Or a highly hierarchical system is just not for Seven at this point.

 

[Macintosh]

On a similar note, I have all of the original Star Trek Fact Files, recently these have been re released (partially) as hardback books by Eaglemoss. Some of the facts are different from the original releases when I compare them. Do I trust the information as presented in my original Star Trek Fact File part work in the 1990’s or do I accept all of the minor changes in the new presentation of these works by Eaglemoss?

The Fact Files were famously inaccurate though. I remember even as a kid being annoyed that they repeatedly referred to the original Enterprise as a Constellation-class ship rather than a Constitution-class ship. They also claimed the Defiant was only 60m long.

A spin-off can explore this, especially if Jellico or Nacheyev want to come back.

Spoiler

Jellico already came back, in Prodigy

Also, I always kind of figured Clancy in PIC season one for a Nacheyev expy.

 

[Timofnine]

Maybe. Or a highly hierarchical system is just not for Seven at this point.

Unless Seven ever becomes a Borg Queen? She almost did in Picard season 1 but chose not to. All jokes aside, Seven’s anxiety and reluctance in her role as Commander stems from her negative experiences with Captain Shaw rather than not being able to accept authority or heriarchy. We have seen examples of Seven standing up to authority and disobeying orders several times in Voyager, most notably in Dark Frontier when Seven abandoned the away team after being coerced by the Borg Queen.

Seven of Nine was once known as Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero One. Let’s break this down:

- ‘Tertiary’ can be interpreted as representing different levels of order or structure.

- ‘Adjunct’ is something added to ‘something else’ as a supplementary rather than an essential part.

- ‘Unimatrix Zero One’ is the Equivalent of the Borg’s central hive/command.

Seven of Nine has therefore always been a part of a structure, but her most recent commander has continued to subjugate her through an enforcement of an identity that Seven does not wish to be known by at this time in her life, just like when she was a drone.

Unless Captain Shaw does something *amazing* and somehow becomes a nurturing Captain and role model for Seven by proving himself in some way, so much so that Seven changes her perspectives of her identity and reverts back to her human past through choice rather than enforcement and bullying?

 

[fireproof78]

Seven of Nine has therefore always been a part of a structure, but her most recent commander has continued to subjugate her through an enforcement of an identity that Seven does not wish to be known by at this time in her life, just like when she was a drone.

Hierarchies are like that.

Unless Captain Shaw does something *amazing* and somehow becomes a nurturing Captain and role model for Seven by proving himself in some way, so much so that Seven changes her perspectives of her identity and reverts back to her human past through choice rather than enforcement and bullying?

I expect he will. Or Seven leaves Starfleet. Which is OK too.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Hierarchies are like that.

I expect he will. Or Seven leaves Starfleet. Which is OK too.

Shaw is obviously going to buy the farm.

 

[fireproof78]

Shaw is obviously going to buy the farm.

Obviously...

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How long have people seen the specter of death around every corner?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Obviously...

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How long have people seen the specter of death around every corner?

Previews show picard and Riker taking over. Maybe Shaw will be compromised. That or he'll die.

 

[fireproof78]

Previews show picard and Riker taking over. Maybe Shaw will be compromised. That or he'll die.

So...less than obvious. Assumption.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Previews show picard and Riker taking over. Maybe Shaw will be compromised. That or he'll die.

Interviews with Todd Stashwick and reviews from those who have seen all 10 episodes emphasise that Shaw is present for the entire season. However from the previews it does look like he gets injured during the first battle with the Shrike as there is a shot of him getting thrown over a railing and into what is no doubt a bone breaking landing.

 

[Farscape One]

I totally see this as taking place in 2401 because of the NX-01's launch date. It was the true beginning of Starfleet's mission of exploration: exploring the final frontier. Hence the name 'Frontier Day'.

I can see why some would think it's much later due to Seven already being a Commander and XO, but there are a few things to consider regarding her.

1. She had both Admirals Picard and Janeway backing her.

2. Because she has a vast amount of Starfleet knowledge already from her time as a Borg, even highly classified things like the Omega protocol. (Only captains and above had that knowledge.) She certainly knew Starfleet protocols and procedures, just lacked command experience.

3. She had years of experience working on a Starfleet hierarchy on Voyager.

4. I believe it was mentioned that Seven was part of some 'accelerated command track program'. Either this was something that is fairly common in the fleet or what Janeway and Picard came up with to get Seven in Starfleet.


So these mitigating things could easily put her where she is now without years passing by.

 

[Yistaan]

I totally see this as taking place in 2401 because of the NX-01's launch date. It was the true beginning of Starfleet's mission of exploration: exploring the final frontier. Hence the name 'Frontier Day'.

I can see why some would think it's much later due to Seven already being a Commander and XO, but there are a few things to consider regarding her.

1. She had both Admirals Picard and Janeway backing her.

2. Because she has a vast amount of Starfleet knowledge already from her time as a Borg, even highly classified things like the Omega protocol. (Only captains and above had that knowledge.) She certainly knew Starfleet protocols and procedures, just lacked command experience.

3. She had years of experience working on a Starfleet hierarchy on Voyager.

4. I believe it was mentioned that Seven was part of some 'accelerated command track program'. Either this was something that is fairly common in the fleet or what Janeway and Picard came up with to get Seven in Starfleet.


So these mitigating things could easily put her where she is now without years passing by.

There's still a lot of wrinkles. You're going to have to combine a presumably something like 2 month crash course training (not unlike Luke's rushed Jedi training in ESB) with time served under Shaw enough to despise him. As I mentioned earlier, Shaw must've been treating her really badly if Seven's already cracking in less than 3 months.

Raffi also had a very major job change in the course of 3 months. How is she going to fool anyone, even an Orion, that she's washed out of Starfleet so quickly after she helped save the galaxy 3 months ago?

Picard's already retired and moving offplanet in April before the academic year at the Academy he was Chancellor of (complete with a speech last season that we'll now have to assume was in January 2401) has even finished!

 

[fireproof78]

Raffi also had a very major job change in the course of 3 months. How is she going to fool anyone, even an Orion, that she's washed out of Starfleet so quickly after she helped save the galaxy 3 months ago?

Fake documents.

 

[Tomalak]

Wasn't Raffi previously an intelligence agent? She seemed to have "special skills" beyond a normal Starfleet security officer so I see it as more of a return than a job change.

 

[JoeZhang]

Wasn't Raffi previously an intelligence agent? She seemed to have "special skills" beyond a normal Starfleet security officer so I see it as more of a return than a job change.

That idea is in the beta material but has as far as I know never actually confirmed on-screen.

 

[fireproof78]

Not that it much matters since Starfleet regularly uses line officers in intelligence roles. See Kirk, Spock, Picard, Worf, Riker, Crusher, Paris.