My theory on why Kes wasn't a more beloved character. Also opinion on Lien. post-"Voyager."
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As for the "TOS" mini-skirts I have heard that woman of that era actually liked them because they were progressive in that it allowed them to be less conservative and not have to be all like a Donna Reed style housewife.
I sometimes wonder were the line is in the idea that some people like to dress all sexy like as oposed to people being exploited by being dressed all sexy like.
Does Jeri Ryan have a love/hate opinion on the catsuit? Does she love it for the attention it brings while also hating it because it can also bring negative attention as well? I imagine wearing something like that might make someone feel insecure while it might make another feel bold.
Jason
I sometimes wonder were the line is in the idea that some people like to dress all sexy like as oposed to people being exploited by being dressed all sexy like.
Does Jeri Ryan have a love/hate opinion on the catsuit? Does she love it for the attention it brings while also hating it because it can also bring negative attention as well? I imagine wearing something like that might make someone feel insecure while it might make another feel bold.
Jason
Glue.
That last one (green) is kind of pretty. But the others are awful!Sex had always been a part of star trek back to the original series. They didn't have catsuits but they just showed lots of skin
A catsuit seems pretty conservative next to some of the original series outfits
There weren't any female main characters in TOS. Ever.
Although some of those 'guests-of-the-week' probably managed to get more lines in their one episode, than Uhura did in three seasons.
Of course, there were female leads in the movies. Which included plenty of 'artistic' choices like...V'ger beaming Illia back into a shower, buck-ass naked. Then having her spend the rest of the movie clad in high heels, with a gaping (and short) bath robe.
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Sex had always been a part of star trek back to the original series. They didn't have catsuits but they just showed lots of skin
A catsuit seems pretty conservative next to some of the original series outfits
Completely agree. There's always been a bit of a double standard too.
Do you think the producers would've tolerated Jeri Ryan, Jennifer Lien, Marina Sirtis, or Nana Visitor stacking on as much weight as Robbie McNeill, Jonathan Frakes, and Avery Brooks did as their shows went on? I doubt it very much.
Most definately not
But i personally prefer a man with some meat on his bones. "Chubby" tom was when he looked the best to me
I think I recall reading an article years ago that Marina Sirtis was told she had to watch her weight.
On a slightly weird note. A hypothetical situation if you will. What if Jeri Ryan had become pregnant while she was starring on Voyager? I wonder how they would have written that. Writing a pregnancy into the storyline. Or would they have hidden the pregnancy like they did with Roxann Dawson's. Obviously they couldn't have had the character in a skin tight cat suit.
In the sci-fi show Andromeda when actress Lexa Doig was pregnant they had her only appear on viewscreens. Her character was the avatar of the ship named Andromeda, but she also had a physical android body that wore tight outfits. So when the actress was expecting, the storyline was that her android body had been too badly damaged (in an attack on the ship I think).
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For whatever it's worth the men had to wear girdels and muscle shirts.
I would cuddle Tom, mind you I never noticed he got chubby, lol. I would still cuddle him..
Irritating double standard. And leaves everyone wide open for "girdle" jokes, especially targeted at Shatner.
That's my head canon.
Yea, on TNG, Data, Wesley Crusher, Worf, and Geordi wore muscle shirts. I dunno about the others. Maybe Riker. He probably had to wear a girdle too.
And the one that irritated me...Beverly wore a wig all seven seasons when her natural hair looked SOOO much better. So they pulled her silky thick auburn hair back every morning, covered her head with a rubber cap, then spent however long it took applying the wispy orange wig.
And the one that irritated me...Beverly wore a wig all seven seasons when her natural hair looked SOOO much better. So they pulled her silky thick auburn hair back every morning, covered her head with a rubber cap, then spent however long it took applying the wispy orange wig.
She apparently had the same problem as Shatner in TOS. He wasn't completely bald by that point, but fine or thinning hair just goes transparent under stage lights. So even when you look absolutely fine on set, you'll look patchy on screen.
We had it happen when I used to do dancing. Even with their hair up, the natural blondes would sometimes look bald or grey in photos.
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Is that right? I read somewhere that Kes had to wear a wig to suit the Ocampa look I guess, then she had it natural and long. If Beverly had her hair as the actress's own then that should have been fine because it would've been consistent with her being.. er.. human.
Yeah, I'm sure there was some practical reason, but I feel like it's the other way around. As in the wig looks like really thin hair, but when you see her in older interviews, her real hair is thick dark reddish brown. She's really pretty, and she's really cool. Crusher does have some funny quirks and dry humor if you watch her closely in the show, but the real McFadden is much more lively and funny. I believe she was a Jim Hensen puppeteer also, if anyone didn't know, and worked on either Dark Crystal, or Labyrinth(or both. I don't remember)
She also has a Twitter, and is the reigning queen of snark.
And Colm Meaney was always rather chubby. In that one episode where he's kidnapped by the Cardassians and shown without a shirt, he looks very doughy.
Ethan Phillips, too, was chunky, which they unsuccessfully tried to hide with his Talaxian suits.
I guess I'm the only one who prefers a chubby guy 
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