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My friends, the end of an era has come..

To quote The Wire, it's, "business, always business." The television audience is becoming more and more fragmented, both between a wider and wider variety of choices of television, and other means of entertainment (Netflix, going to the movies, video games, etc.). That means ratings have been going down for everything. This hurts space operas because they are very expensive to produce.

However, as television moves to other models such as subscription services, like Showtime, HBO, and -- soon -- Netflix (and the more the advertising-based one it has now fails to work, it will) space opera could become viable again. Look at Game of Thrones on HBO. There's a (fantasy) program that could never work financially on network television, but on HBO it's already been guaranteed a second season.
 
Shall we begin the 90's onward list of Sci-Fi genre shows

Star Trek: Deep Space -- 90's
Star Trek: Voyager -- 90's
Star Trek: Enterprise -- 00's // canceled
Doctor Who (uncancelled)
Babylon 5 -- 90's
SG-1 -- 90's
SG:A -- 00's // canceled
The 4400 -- 00's // caneled More drama then sci-fi.
7 Days -- 90's More drama then sci-fi.
Jake 2.0 -- 00's // canceled hardly Sci-fi.
Alien Nation -- 90's
Dark Skies - 90's
Sliders -- 90's
Space Precinct -- 90's
Space Above and Beyond -- 90's//canceled
Quantum Leap -- 90's
The Outer Limits (remake) -- 90's
BSG (remake) -- 00's
Seaquest DSV -- 90's
Firefly -- 00's//canceled
Earth: Final Conflict -- 90's

etc... I could go on but there where far more Sci-Fi genre shows in the last 2 decades are so than there was in the 80's

As you can see most of the shows you mentioned where in 90's. The only successfull show in the next decade was BattleStar Galactica.
SG:A was milking off SG-1, and Star Trek: Enterprise was milking of Star Trek franchise.


1 successfull show in a whole decade. Thigns are going bad for Sci-fi genre this century, dont you think?

While the 90's were like the pic of Sci-fi genre on television. It brought us: X-Files, Babylon 5, 2,5x Star Trek series with a legen ...wait for it ... dary Picard and Janeway, SG-1 , Seaquest, Sliders and many more smaller series.

Doctor Who (2005) Avg viewing figures 7m (thats equivelant in the US to the region of 30m). So that's at least 2 succesful shows, true in the case of Doctor Who it was that rare beast of a show that was uncancelled and brought back (albeit after a 16 year gap, bar 1 TV movie)
 
However, as television moves to other models such as subscription services, like Showtime, HBO, and -- soon -- Netflix (and the more the advertising-based one it has now fails to work, it will) space opera could become viable again. Look at Game of Thrones on HBO. There's a (fantasy) program that could never work financially on network television, but on HBO it's already been guaranteed a second season.
Basic and premium cable is certainly where we should look for the good sci fi in the future. AMC's success with The Walking Dead is a good sign. It got, what, about 6M viewers? I could see an audience for a space opera show that size. It's hit-level for cable, even if it would be cancellation-level on broadcast.

The match of subject matter and audience is very interesting. AMC's fancy-pants audience is certainly not the people I'd think would sit still for a zombie show of all things, but it just goes to show, a high-quality zombie show is a high-quality show, and that's what the AMC audience wants. Why wouldn't they embrace a high-quality space opera just as readily?

TNT is debuting Falling Skies in under a month - more sign that acceptance of sci fi is spreading across cable. I'm keeping an eye on that one.

Perhaps the way to go then, is International co-produced to offset the cost for a single network.
Broadcast and cable both have plenty of money to fund a show they think will be successful, and I'm sure they factor international revenues into the equation. They aren't hurting for start-up money. They're leery about sci fi, which is perceived as a risky and expensive genre, even when they factor in all the expected revenue sources.

But international revenues aren't going to matter when the American audience tunes out and the show gets cancelled. That's the real problem, that at least half of all shows get cancelled, so the TV biz responds with being conservative, and focusing on safe genres like procedurals, which results in a glut of procedurals and even more of the audience flees to cable because there's nothing to watch on broadcast.

Fortunately, the wheel seems to have turned. ABC and NBC are aping AMC by putting Mad Men inspired shows on broadcast. Mad Men doesn't even get ratings that are that good by cable standards! There's definitely more of a philosophy now that TV can't thrive without embracing the risky nature of the business. (It probably helps that broadcast has now bowed to the superiority of cable and the head honchos of NBC and ABC are from the cable world.)

There is a wave of new non-space-opera sci fi on broadcast next year - Alcatraz, Terra Nova, Touch, Awake, The River - and even more if you count the whole sf/f spectrum (hard to tell what genre The River is yet). Persons of Interest is "almost" sci fi - an example of how technology overruns a traditionally sci fi idea so that it no longer qualifies as futuristic. It's possible that we'll see space opera on broadcast again someday although I'd rather see it on Showtime.
Yet those very same people will happily pay to watch films at the cinema that fall into the Sci-Fi(Fantasy) genre. Just look at the top films.
That's just the difference between movies and TV in what their strengths and weaknesses are. Movies play to the strengths of sci fi (at least the shallow strengths) - visual spectacle, visceral action.

But TV is about characters and familiarity - people tune into shows because they relate to and care about the characters - and sci fi is inherently off-putting to a large segment of the audience. So sci fi shows tend to thrive when they can present highly relatable lead characters dealing with crazy situations - think Mulder and Scully. That means real-world, modern-day sci fi is the most palatable, and the kind of sci fi with pointy-eared aliens as lead characters is at a disadvantage.
 
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BBC's Outcasts-coming to BBC America next month I think, was filmed in South Africa. And is heavy on beautiful locations to depict the alien world it's set on.
 
Falling Skies will be interesting for sure. It got that Terminator vibe all over it. Plus that guy from ER should draw some viewers from outside the genre.

By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days? It feels like if they arent making anything, noone is making anything around the world. Whats going on? What happend to the rest of the world? Or are we all Americans now?
Pretty sure that's how it's always been. Britain and Japan are the only other countries that have made scifi series that have gotten major international attention. Everyone else apparently a) doesn't make it, b)makes low quality stuff, and/or c)doesn't export it.
 
Falling Skies will be interesting for sure. It got that Terminator vibe all over it. Plus that guy from ER should draw some viewers from outside the genre.

By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days? It feels like if they arent making anything, noone is making anything around the world. Whats going on? What happend to the rest of the world? Or are we all Americans now?
Pretty sure that's how it's always been. Britain and Japan are the only other countries that have made scifi series that have gotten major international attention. Everyone else apparently a) doesn't make it, b)makes low quality stuff, and/or c)doesn't export it.

That seems to be the case. Off-hand, the only sf television series I can think of that isn't British or American would be Farscape, and that was still both British and American in the form of a British-American-Australian co-production deal.

I suppose Charlie Jade was South African (?) but it was cancelled after two seasons and only briefly run on SyFy in the US (I didn't catch it).
 
Falling Skies will be interesting for sure. It got that Terminator vibe all over it. Plus that guy from ER should draw some viewers from outside the genre.

By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days? It feels like if they arent making anything, noone is making anything around the world. Whats going on? What happend to the rest of the world? Or are we all Americans now?
Pretty sure that's how it's always been. Britain and Japan are the only other countries that have made scifi series that have gotten major international attention. Everyone else apparently a) doesn't make it, b)makes low quality stuff, and/or c)doesn't export it.

That seems to be the case. Off-hand, the only sf television series I can think of that isn't British or American would be Farscape, and that was still both British and American in the form of a British-American-Australian co-production deal.

I suppose Charlie Jade was South African (?) but it was cancelled after two seasons and only briefly run on SyFy in the US (I didn't catch it).

Charlie Jade was a Canadian/South African co-production. Great show, a cyberpunk version of Fringe in a way. SciFi ran some of it late at night. Was enough to get me to import the DVD, from Australia of all places.
 
Falling Skies will be interesting for sure. It got that Terminator vibe all over it. Plus that guy from ER should draw some viewers from outside the genre.

By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days? It feels like if they arent making anything, noone is making anything around the world. Whats going on? What happend to the rest of the world? Or are we all Americans now?

Lets see from Britain

Doctor Who
Primevel
Torchwood (yes the new season is co-produced with the US)
Red Dwarf (has been uncancelled and will be back next year)
 
I'd like to see it at some point. Did it end on a cliffhanger?

Charlie Jade only ran for one season.

The show does end on a cliffhanger, but it is a good spot to end the story. There's a season arc which is resolved by the end. There's some stuff left over would have made for a very interesting second season.

It is a good watch once you slog through the first 7 or so episodes. They had a complete writer's room change around then and the story just explodes.
 
I share in everyones' disappointment over Stargate coming to an end. I am one of many upset about the cancellation of SGU. I said it, it is no longer about saving SGU, but has become an effort to bring back Stargate in some form in the near future. Like Star Trek, it has a large following. It is also an effort to bring back true Science Fiction shows back on to Syfy channel. Many are not in favor of them taken on Wrestling and a cooking show, and we have to make a stand and show them this is not the path to take.

There is a petition up to Save SGU. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/savesgu with 13,000 people signed so far. I agree it is barely a quarter of what it needs to be taken seriously. There is another one for Atlantis http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/savesgu with over 40,000. Sign these petitions and maybe those slug heads in charge will see we want Stargate back in some form. There are also big groups forming on Facebook, a SG-1 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stargate-SG-1/107957985891392 group has over 400,000 members and there is a specific group to save SGU that is working to bring Stargate back.
 
By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days?
I get the impression that foreign TV production is much more heavily reality TV, which doesn't travel but gets remade, and not so much the scripted stuff. And of course Latin American soaps, for which this is probably not the target market. ;)

I don't recall that it's ever been any different. American TV has always ignored foreign productions (runaway American productions made in Canada, Australia or Bulgaria for financial reasons don't count as foreign). Lately, I've seen some authentic Canadian productions (not runaways) being picked up as cheap summer fodder by the networks, but those look far too boring and derivative to bother with. Standard cop show stuff and the like.

Historical dramas like The Tudors, The Borgias and (I guess this counts) Camelot are apparently foreign productions but I would bet they wouldn't exist without being backed by the likes of HBO and Starz. They look far too expensive.
 
Those historic dramas you list are all international co-productions, no? Which is to say, they still have a strong American financial interest (be it Showtime, Starz, or a similar financial backer).
 
"Everything that has a begining has an end."

Stargate was good for while.
I like discovering things like stargate, that was a diamond in the rough, that I had always avoided for some reason and then you find it and it's beautiful but the mine eventually runs dry and this one particularly fast.
 
By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days?
I get the impression that foreign TV production is much more heavily reality TV, which doesn't travel but gets remade, and not so much the scripted stuff. And of course Latin American soaps, for which this is probably not the target market. ;)

I don't recall that it's ever been any different. American TV has always ignored foreign productions (runaway American productions made in Canada, Australia or Bulgaria for financial reasons don't count as foreign). Lately, I've seen some authentic Canadian productions (not runaways) being picked up as cheap summer fodder by the networks, but those look far too boring and derivative to bother with. Standard cop show stuff and the like.

American productions have a higher budget and are thus more watchable. To beat that, the Japanese produce great animated sci-fi and fantasies. Creatively, I also think American productions are better than most. The Japanese are even better in that area though because of their manga culture which encourages every youth to create.
 
With foreign TV, it pretty much comes down to budget. Exotic alien worlds and all that rot doesn't come cheap, and American TV often simply has more money than other domestic markets. This has never stopped, say, Britain regularly making science fiction TV, but it tends to be done more cheaply than the high end American programs.

That's why the history of Irish television is mostly the history of Irish TV soaps.

I'd also suggest that non-American TV doesn't travel as much, for whatever reason. There are sci-fi TV series which have never been given English subtitles or aren't seen outside of their home countries. I know it took years before Charlie Jade came to the UK, for example, and god knows what sci-fi shows never make it. There never seems to be a big demand for subtitled TV shows regardless of genre, so I can't consider that very surprising.

Co-productions do solve that problem nicely, of course, and American shows are known for relying on foreign talent and - rather notoriously in the case of Canada - shooting locations.

I thought The Borgias was an American production (with, yes, The Crying Game's Neil Jordan as showrunner) but I'll admit I wasn't paying any attention. I should watch that when it gets to British TV if it hasn't already.

I'd like to see it at some point. Did it end on a cliffhanger?
It wrapped up resolving the plot for the first season rather well, I thought, but it left some salient plot threads that a second season could have picked up. I'd call myself guardedly satisfied, although a second season would have been nice (I understand the scripts for the first few episodes were actually written, it'd be nice to see those someday).
 
By the way. How come Sci-fi TV is so "made in North American" this days?
I get the impression that foreign TV production is much more heavily reality TV, which doesn't travel but gets remade, and not so much the scripted stuff. And of course Latin American soaps, for which this is probably not the target market. ;)

I don't recall that it's ever been any different. American TV has always ignored foreign productions (runaway American productions made in Canada, Australia or Bulgaria for financial reasons don't count as foreign). Lately, I've seen some authentic Canadian productions (not runaways) being picked up as cheap summer fodder by the networks, but those look far too boring and derivative to bother with. Standard cop show stuff and the like.

American productions have a higher budget and are thus more watchable. To beat that, the Japanese produce great animated sci-fi and fantasies. Creatively, I also think American productions are better than most. The Japanese are even better in that area though because of their manga culture which encourages every youth to create.
Don't forget Light Novels and Visual Novels, which are often fodder for anime adaptations.

However, I think that in the past decade, the Japanese haven't been doing all that great a job at producing new animated material due to the massive clusterfuck that is the anime/manga industry. In fact, for the past few years things have been pretty run of the mill, with this season of anime being the first one where I've seen stuff that is actually well written and has an interesting premise (Steins;Gate and Tiger and Bunny). Fantasy works in particular seem to suffer, since they all seem to be reusing similar concepts that won't cost too much money to animate.
 
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