Moving up in rank
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Okay, Kim should have been an LTlg by the end of season 1. LT by end of season 3, and a possiblity of LTCmd by end of show if he was lucky.
and even if he wasn't for some reason, when they got regular communication with the Federation, they would have sent crew lists, and all logs, and they would have okayed, or directed Janeway to promote the appropriate people.
I can just see Harry calling his folks.. Parents say, are you a LT yet? No mom, the captain hates me..
For promotions, you do get some compensation, it may not be money per se, but some type of other barter-able stuff like Replicator rations, access to the more advanced officer replicator, more holodeck time, a bigger quarters, maybe one without a roommate.
... Just thought.. in Lower decks, the Ensigns sleep in wall cots in a hallway, imagine Harry having to sleep in a wall cot all 7 years.. But Captain! there are 15 open quarters on the ship!.. Sorry ENSIGN.. there not available to you.
and even if he wasn't for some reason, when they got regular communication with the Federation, they would have sent crew lists, and all logs, and they would have okayed, or directed Janeway to promote the appropriate people.
I can just see Harry calling his folks.. Parents say, are you a LT yet? No mom, the captain hates me..
For promotions, you do get some compensation, it may not be money per se, but some type of other barter-able stuff like Replicator rations, access to the more advanced officer replicator, more holodeck time, a bigger quarters, maybe one without a roommate.
... Just thought.. in Lower decks, the Ensigns sleep in wall cots in a hallway, imagine Harry having to sleep in a wall cot all 7 years.. But Captain! there are 15 open quarters on the ship!.. Sorry ENSIGN.. there not available to you.
Janeway was too invested in being the GREATEST CAPTAIN OF ALL TIME to think about Kim and his promotion. The stories on Voyager were deep on Seven's development and battling the next super villains every week.
That's a bit of a myth that the writers thought Carey was dead since he still got mentioned in dialogue all throughout the series. Granted, one of those references was in Before and After where he was mentioned as one of the crew killed in Krenim attacks in the alternate timeline of that episode, which probably fueled the "writers thought he was dead" myth.
The problem with that, though, is it's a minimum 75 year trip. Well, around 35 years by the time they have contact with the Federation on a regular basis. Assuming Starfleet sends Janeway orders via the MIDAS array to promote crewmembers on a basis of time served, by the time Voyager returns to the Alpha Quadrant (assuming Voyager doesn't stumble upon the Borg transwarp hub), then Voyager is going to return with a Four Star Admiral in command, and the lowest peon on the ship will be, at minimum, a lieutenant commander.Okay, Kim should have been an LTlg by the end of season 1. LT by end of season 3, and a possiblity of LTCmd by end of show if he was lucky.
and even if he wasn't for some reason, when they got regular communication with the Federation, they would have sent crew lists, and all logs, and they would have okayed, or directed Janeway to promote the appropriate people.
I can just see Harry calling his folks.. Parents say, are you a LT yet? No mom, the captain hates me..
For promotions, you do get some compensation, it may not be money per se, but some type of other barter-able stuff like Replicator rations, access to the more advanced officer replicator, more holodeck time, a bigger quarters, maybe one without a roommate.
... Just thought.. in Lower decks, the Ensigns sleep in wall cots in a hallway, imagine Harry having to sleep in a wall cot all 7 years.. But Captain! there are 15 open quarters on the ship!.. Sorry ENSIGN.. there not available to you.
What the hell is the Federation going to do with a sudden influx of over 100 captains? They can't crank out ships fast enough to accommodate that many new command officers without overlooking the other thousands of ships in the fleet in line for promotions.
Since a big part of Janeway's crew is assuredly human, she'll basically have to go generational to keep the ship running for the remaining 35 years. At one point, the CO will have to be one of those who started out young and either already had Starfleet training or then learned the ropes during the trip. Hiring a new Captain straight from Starport Royal or T'Ortuga IV isn't gonna work for Janeway, nor would it be good form for her to crash-promote the most promising LT(jg) to Captain when she finally decides to retire (see how much good came from the Valiant skipper using his dying breath to pick a successor that way - assuming he even did so). So she really should get an orderly promotions racket going from day one.
However, Janeway is channeling Jim Kirk in absolutely refusing to believe in defeat or prepare for the worst case scenario. If she has done 35 years in seven already, by golly, she IS going to get home before the need to promote Kim really arises!
Timo Saloniemi
However, Janeway is channeling Jim Kirk in absolutely refusing to believe in defeat or prepare for the worst case scenario. If she has done 35 years in seven already, by golly, she IS going to get home before the need to promote Kim really arises!
Timo Saloniemi
About the Valiant, I am pretty sure that he promoted that Jerk with the hopes that he'd get the ship back to base as soon as possible. He had no idea that he'd just passed the baton to a freaking megalomaniac.
I always found the ending to "Valiant" to be extremely tragic.
Such a waste of a perfectly good starship.
Robert
Well, it was a clone of the Defiant.
How many ships will theFederation have by then? How many captains will be retired each year?
A person with the rank of a captain doesn't have to have an assignment to command a ship. It is qiuite possible that Starfleet has more shore positions for captains that ship commands for captains anyway.
So possibly 10 Yoyager captains could be given command of their own ships, and 10 voyager captains could become second in command on o ther ships, and 30 couldbe given shore posiitions for captains, and the other 50 could retire or serve in positions usually filled by lts., lt. commanders, and commanders, but with the rank of captain. And so possibly only a tiny minority of Starfleet officers will inconvenenced.
Being a Captain doesn't mean that you get your own starship. Spock and Scotty (I think) were both captains for a while, yet as far as I know, they never got their own starships. Riker on the other hand was offered a ship several times while still a commander.
Scotty was a captain of engineering, not a command level. Likely why he wasn't offered a ship, other than him only wanting to be an engineer.
And Spock was in command of the Enterprise when STAR TREK II started. Kirk took command at Spock's behest due to the possible emergency at Regula.
And Spock was in command of the Enterprise when STAR TREK II started. Kirk took command at Spock's behest due to the possible emergency at Regula.
They have
Several dubious possibilities...
1. Harry never got a little box because he was still officially listed as dead by the computer.
2. Harry had a little box on his seat, it just got knocked onto the floor. When Voyager was put in for refit following the return to the Alpha quadrant, a maintainence tech found the dirty, dusty, mildew-covered container and had no idea what to make of it.
3. Janeway had promised Tom never to promote Harry past him because he was the father of her kids.
Makes a good joke, but it was still a really crappy decision by the writers.
1. Harry never got a little box because he was still officially listed as dead by the computer.
2. Harry had a little box on his seat, it just got knocked onto the floor. When Voyager was put in for refit following the return to the Alpha quadrant, a maintainence tech found the dirty, dusty, mildew-covered container and had no idea what to make of it.
3. Janeway had promised Tom never to promote Harry past him because he was the father of her kids.
Makes a good joke, but it was still a really crappy decision by the writers.
Harry never got promoted because:
1) His clarinet playing put everyone to sleep.
2) Once he was in charge he brought a WMD on board and nearly blew up the ship.
3) He was from an alternate Voyager.
4) He was Janeway's whipping boy.
5) He refused to have sex with Seven!!! (That's a terrible crime!)
6) He was (always) in love with a hologram, the wrong twin, a dead girl, a terrorist, another terrorist AND Seven..
1) His clarinet playing put everyone to sleep.
2) Once he was in charge he brought a WMD on board and nearly blew up the ship.
3) He was from an alternate Voyager.
4) He was Janeway's whipping boy.
5) He refused to have sex with Seven!!! (That's a terrible crime!)
6) He was (always) in love with a hologram, the wrong twin, a dead girl, a terrorist, another terrorist AND Seven..
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1. Some of us actually like being lulled to sleep at the end of a long stressful day.
2. Must have missed that episode... he also built Seven's astrometrics lab, the Delta flyer, and other nice stuff.
3. Our Janeway knew that the other Janeway, who had sacrificed herself to save Janeway and her crew, had entrusted Harry and baby Naomi to her. She would not have violated a dying friend's trust.
4. Oooo, I didn't know she was so kinky. Then she should have given him whatever he wanted to buy his silence.
5. Janeway refused to have sex with Chakotay (who ain't too bad himself), but she got to be admiral.
6. Janeway wasn't above romancing holograms either.
1) I don't know they hoped for a distraction and instead got a sedative.
2) It was a smart bomb (Smarter than Harry at any rate.
}4) Janeway always punished Harry for what everyone else did and got away with.
5] We don't know that.
6] But harry got rejected by a hologram!!! Talk about a loser.
Yes, and since the doctor said they were all real that means Janeway is a murderer.
