Move Along Home=pile of rubbish

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by gakelly, Apr 2, 2021.

  1. kkt

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    : popcorn :
     
  2. Swedish Borg

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    With real butter?
     
  3. kkt

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    Absolutely! And easy on the salt.
     
  4. JirinPanthosa

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    ...Human, heterosexual males under 60? Luxury of sex.
     
  5. Oddish

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    Women starve because no one cares for them or men starve trying to care for women, it's armageddon either way.
     
  6. Swedish Borg

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    What is it we're talking about now?
     
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  7. Oddish

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    What probably happened on the "Spock's Brain" planet after the Enterprise left. Kirk's modus operandi was to force Federation norms on a culture and then hope it didn't end up destroying itself. I think that one probably did. Don't like the Vaal planet's chances, either.
     
  8. JirinPanthosa

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    We're talking about how the men would feel being forced to take care of the women.

    Oddish is arguing they'd resent it because of the additional tax on their resources. I'm arguing the men would be okay with it because biology and stuff.
     
  9. Swedish Borg

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    Yeah, the Vaal people were probably left with the impression that you can make babies by holding hands.

    BTW, how do you like that? For thousands of years, they've lived carefree lives without much to do except put some of the things in Vaal's mouth, and now thanks to Kirk they can grow old and die in a few decades of toiling all day just to keep themselves fed...and chances are they'll go extinct because they've never taken care of babies before.

    But that's not unlike Picard who expects a group of clones who've grown to hate sex to start a family just because he's told them to.
     
  10. Swedish Borg

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    Correct me if I am wrong but don't they have some sort of an ice age on the surface? How are they supposed to grow crops, let alone raise animals under these conditions?
     
  11. Oddish

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    It's a brutal, hardscrabble existence, and the men were barely taking care of themselves. Adding a bunch of others who have no idea how to make a spear or slaughter an animal or know which berries and fungus are toxic... one of three things happens:
    1. The men give the women the boot. The women die quickly. The men die off in a generation.
    2. The men try to care for the women. The increased taxation on their resources causes them to all die together.
    3. The Federation is used to cleaning up Kirk's messes. It has another ship trailing him, full of humanitarian workers who provide necessary aid to the natives.
     
  12. Swedish Borg

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    Well, at least they're not under Picard's prime directive "we don't give a crap" policy where they watch them die of attrition from orbit and don't do a damn thing.
     
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  13. JirinPanthosa

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    4. The same social order that existed on Earth for millennia before we had the tools to eliminate scarcity takes hold and the women learn the skills they need to take care of the home tasks and make the men's jobs easier.
     
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    5. Before the women have had the necessary time or inclination to learn those skills (normally taught mother to daughter over time), they're already worm food.
     
  15. Swedish Borg

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    Let's not forget that the women and the men have very low IQs (brain, brain what is brain?) and that would take many generations to change significantly.
     
  16. kkt

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    They had very low knowledge of their surroundings, not clear what their rate of acqusition of knowledge would be in the absense of the Great Computer telling them everything they need to know.
     
  17. dupersuper

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    Meh. I laughed out loud at that line. I'm fine with lower stakes Trek (especially after 3 seasons of Discovery and 1 of Picard).

    Did...did you join this forum accidentally?
     
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    I must be in the rare minority. I only vaguely remember this episode, except that I liked it enough to watch all the way through. There are TNG episodes I would pick this over, and I happen to think that TNG is vastly superior to DS9. Just goes to show there are exceptions to every rule, huh?
     
  19. JirinPanthosa

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    You'd be surprised how fast people can adapt in the face of necessity.

    Evolutionary speaking, the men would rather risk death than guarantee their genes don't get passed on.
     
  20. Oddish

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    But not everyone adapts. That's how evolution works: it is a natural process fueled by the death of those who can't adapt to change. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for 3000 times longer than Cro Magnon man (us) have even existed. But, a rock hit the planet, and they got wiped out. A sudden change of this nature can easily erase a species.

    Of course, since we never return to the planet, we never find out what happened.