Kirk's behavior might have been standard back in the sixties, but he'd be considered a misogynistic pig by today's standards.
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Kirk's behavior might have been standard back in the sixties, but he'd be considered a misogynistic pig by today's standards.
Consider it from the men's perspective. They're barely surviving as they are, and suddenly a bunch of people who are completely incapable of even the basic survival skills drop into their laps. They have no instinctive or cultural urge to protect them, and their own chances of survival are reduced if they burn resources looking after them. So the sensible decision would be to send them away and make them fend for themselves.
And I don't think Vaal's clueless followers had much of a chance, either, for similar reasons: if you've been cared for all your life, and suddenly you have to fend for yourself, it rarely goes well.
And I don't think Vaal's clueless followers had much of a chance, either, for similar reasons: if you've been cared for all your life, and suddenly you have to fend for yourself, it rarely goes well.
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Yeah, this episode makes me grate my teeth. I've watched it several times, hoping to find something about it to really like, and aside from Quark getting a little development (which is nice), I just do not like it. It's one of a handful in the entire series.
Are you all that unaware of sexual instincts? Damn ... I am pretty sure the women have something to offer the men in terms of domestication and civilization.
And as to Vall's followers, they were already showing tendencies towards independence based on their natural urges and instincts. I am grateful the Federation did not see it as you do and interfere and play Big Brother to these indigineous populations.
And as to Vall's followers, they were already showing tendencies towards independence based on their natural urges and instincts. I am grateful the Federation did not see it as you do and interfere and play Big Brother to these indigineous populations.
That...may explain some things about Voyager.
I assume the Federation sent some of their cultural envoys to help.
The Wadi were probably already conquered by the Dominion. But they are among the races who do what they say and don't threaten them and thus do okay and have economic freedom.
It's the reason Ferengi ships were the only alpha quadrant ships never attacked in the gamma quadrant. If the Dominion had won the war, they would have sent a few Vorta down to Ferenginar to say "Follow these rules". The Nagus would have said "Ok sure", and then they would have been left alone.
"Trapped in a game" is a great scifi concept, and the parts with Quark and Odo managing the game were really well done. The only problem is playing hopscotch and figuring out to drink some liquid are not an interesting game.
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One hopes... there had to be at least a few responsible people in the Federation.
"You will thrive under freedom! You'll learn to use human ingenuity to solve your problems again!
Oh, and those eighty-three industrial replicators and the five thousand experts and instructors we'll leave in our wake to set up a massive education program might be of some marginal use, too."
If you ignore gender equality part of the equation, I doubt men of any era would object to there being lots of women who completely depend on them for survival.
I think the main thing people don’t like is that it was just a game. No one’s life was in danger like in every other episode of Star Trek. That was the last straw for people who managed to sit past everything else wrong with the episode. One twist too many and a doozy at that. You treat my time like it’s a GAME?!?
One thing I didn’t like in it which is maybe a plus for many is Quark’s reaction to the crew’s lives being on the line. I mean, what does he care? He barely knows these people, and he’s a cutthroat Ferengi. Until he’s not, we find out later...he’s a “people person.” Head canon, I think of it more that he didn’t want to go down for a crime than he cared that much about fellow station residents.
Didn’t make sense that early on if he’s the local mob. Which he wasn’t. See, I think that was an opportunity lost. Would have given him more “teeth,” as it were.
One thing I didn’t like in it which is maybe a plus for many is Quark’s reaction to the crew’s lives being on the line. I mean, what does he care? He barely knows these people, and he’s a cutthroat Ferengi. Until he’s not, we find out later...he’s a “people person.” Head canon, I think of it more that he didn’t want to go down for a crime than he cared that much about fellow station residents.
Didn’t make sense that early on if he’s the local mob. Which he wasn’t. See, I think that was an opportunity lost. Would have given him more “teeth,” as it were.
Try being reduced to their level of technology, where you have to hunt, gather, and survive hour by hour. You never have enough food or resources for yourself, and you're constantly in danger of starvation, exposure, or being preyed upon. Then, a bunch of people get dropped into your lap who don't have the strength, skills, or mindset to survive at all. They're nice to look at, nice to bang, but caring for them means you go a lot hungrier, and might die. Do you choose the luxury of sex when you want it, or the necessity of survival?
There's probably an in-between somewhere. People who can help societies in transition survive without becoming a new Vaal.
All Star Trek is a pile of rubbish.
The franchise has entertaining bits in it but none of it is particularly any good.
The franchise has entertaining bits in it but none of it is particularly any good.
Still cranky from that unfortunate encounter with the Big Billy Goat Gruff, are we?
There's nothing wrong with that as long as it's rubbish we enjoy.
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Absolutely! And easy on the salt.
...Human, heterosexual males under 60? Luxury of sex.
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