Most disturbing scene in star trek?

[Satyrquaze]

Except Kirk isn't from the era of TNG...

Doesn't make it any less racist.

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, I mean even McCoy and Spock's jabs at each other are kind of hard to not get somewhat disturbed by if you replace "Vulcan Son of a bitch!" with "You Black Son of a bitch!", etc etc.

 

[Satyrquaze]

McCoy was from the Mississippi... racism is perfectly acceptable if you're from there.

 

[kirsten187]

^Random, off topic here but wasn't he from Georgia?

 

[Satyrquaze]

Dax said he went to Ole Miss... but he might have been from Georgia.

 

[kirsten187]

I remember that but maybe I'm just confusing McCoy with DeForest Kelley.

 

[Iamnotspock]

I remember that but maybe I'm just confusing McCoy with DeForest Kelley.

He's certainly from Georgia in David R George's Crucible novel trilogy, but I think it was ever established on-screen - just that he was Southern.

 

[Cheapjack]

Nobody seems to have brought up David Marcus getting a can opener in ST3

 

[DonIago]

I'd consider Kirk's reaction more disturbing. One of the few times we see him unhinged.

 

[Cheapjack]

...so you'd just say nothing, if someone killed your son?

Don't read Shakespeare, whatever you do.

 

[Anwar]

Saying nothing could work, shows you're so deep in shock and grief/rage you CAN'T speak.

 

[Cheapjack]

Given what limited understanding of Homo Sapiens, I have, trying to be at least half of one myself, , I would say someone would get it eventually. Maybe they would just kick the cat.

Can't see what's wrong with calling someone a Klingon barsteward. Kirk even tried to help him, save his life!

 

[DonIago]

...so you'd just say nothing, if someone killed your son?

Don't read Shakespeare, whatever you do.

I meant it was disturbing to see Kirk become that unhinged, not that his reaction was unwarranted.

 

[Cheapjack]

Can't see how. when he tried to help Kruge form falling into that pit.

 

[sbk1234]

Dax said he went to Ole Miss... but he might have been from Georgia.

I thought that Dax was referring to the university McCoy attended, and not the state where he was born and/or raised.


Sorry. I just reread this and see that what I quoted said exactly what I said. So, really no need to be redundant, I suppose. Or to repeat myself. Or to say the same thing again.

 

[Kertrats47]

"Admiral. David is dead."

 

[Cheapjack]

If you want a world where nobody says anything bad, and only klingons kill people, you're living in fairyland.

Even Sarek was cutting.

 

[Rarewolf]

Voyager: Deadlock - Tuvok's Damage and fatality report. Vulcans don't have a nack for breaking the news gently.

 

[Cheapjack]

That bit in the Man Trap, where Kirk shouted at McCoy.

Terrible that, shouting.

Had nightmares about it for weeks.

 

[siskokid888]

^^So if it was a poor decision, what would have been a better way of handling it?

Kirk and Co. needed the info, Valeris had it but was refusing to reveal it. Our Heroes were short on time and it was quite literally a matter of life and death.

In the novelization at least I think it's implied that in the meld Valeris consents to give Spock the information, but I grant that's not really how it's portrayed.

It may be disturbing, but I'm not sure what better option Our Heroes had.

Think about the hue and cry that went up when Janeway threatened to feed Lessing to the aliens in Equinox. I remember a lot of talk on the board about how that was torture and how unacceptable it was. That scene was used many times in the Voyager Forum as an example of Janeway's unfitness (is that a word? Unfitness? ) for command.

That was a life and death situation too. And she didn't physically harm him, she tried to scare him. Spock actually harmed Valeris (I'm assuming those weren't screams of pleasure).

I think it was out of character for Spock, and cast him in a bad light.

Dramatically, I don't know how it would have been better handled...a scene where Spock appeals to her logic in a memorable speech, maybe?

It's just my opinion, and no big deal I guess, but I thought it tarnished his character a little bit to be brought to that, when I could imagine Spock in any other situation arguing against that kind of behavior with withering logic and rationality.

IIRC, didn't Kirk order Spock to do it? Kirk asks her a question, she refuses to answer, and Kirk turns to Spock and simply says "Spock". Don't know if that changes anything, but that's how I remember it.