This episode was written, directed and acted by people who have never been drunk before.
Moments on TNG that make you cringe.
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Everything about that clip is painful.
I'm sure Stewart and Sirtis had a chuckle over that.
Wait a second. "Bogey" is 20th Century slang! I'm told that isn't allow in Star Trek!!!! 
To be fair, first season TNG doesn't really follow *any* rules.Wait a second. "Bogey" is 20th Century slang! I'm told that isn't allow in Star Trek!!!!
Heard "bogey" in an episode of Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda" today. Takes place in approximately the 31st century.
They would have to try to replicate a Bacall.
Mostly moments involving Riker or Troi, both individually and collectively lol. I feel like they didn't really know how to write either character. Crusher wasn't bad, just very underutilized, even in comparison to the other two.
Not all of their moments were cringe, of course. I actually really enjoyed Troi as a Romulan or Riker's mindbreak theater episode.
I actually really connected with Wesley despite his Mary Sue persona.
Not all of their moments were cringe, of course. I actually really enjoyed Troi as a Romulan or Riker's mindbreak theater episode.
I actually really connected with Wesley despite his Mary Sue persona.
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I know Stewart and Spiner got the attention as the supposedly best actors of the group, but I think anytime Frakes was given something meaty to work with, he did a great job. I really like the Riker character, even though he is sometimes under-utilized. I particularly thought Frakes did an excellent job in Picard.
Frakes was also great as a supporter for a scene... or a bouncer, for lack of a better term.
What I mean by that is there are scenes where it's just him and one other character and Riker is not the central person of the conversation. He lets that other character bounce the dialogue to him and it's made better because he let's them keep going.
Like in "Legacy"... at the end, Data comes to his quarters and he talks to Riker about trust and friendship. It's definitely a Data centered scene, but it's works great because Frakes, as Riker, is letting Data get the meat of the scene.
Another great example is another of him and Data in "The Bonding" in Ten Forward when they ask about how well they knew Marla Aster.
What I mean by that is there are scenes where it's just him and one other character and Riker is not the central person of the conversation. He lets that other character bounce the dialogue to him and it's made better because he let's them keep going.
Like in "Legacy"... at the end, Data comes to his quarters and he talks to Riker about trust and friendship. It's definitely a Data centered scene, but it's works great because Frakes, as Riker, is letting Data get the meat of the scene.
Another great example is another of him and Data in "The Bonding" in Ten Forward when they ask about how well they knew Marla Aster.
It's funny, because while I have my issues with the character of Riker, a lot of which stemmed from the writers not knowing wth they were doing with him, somehow, when they settled into using Riker as a frequent jerk (With Shelby, Jellico, Ro Laren, Tom Riker, etc...) you really start seeing good acting from Frakes. Some of us may take issue with how the character is behaving, but you can't fault the actor. He's making all that stuff VERY interesting drama.
I noticed it really was a deliberate choice from Frakes to play him that way. He even gets pissy with Picard in Yesterdays Enterprise over sending the C back. I'd put the acting he's doing in later seasons up above Spiner's. It's got real depth. I truly buy it
You saying that about Riker acting with more antagonism toward Picard in "Yesterday's Enterprise" is something I noticed, too. And it isn't often talked about. It was a great subtle nod that illustrated just how radically different that timeline was.
It's pretty rare for Picard to just shut down an officer's objection like that. I loved that he did it with a deescalating charm about it too. Very unique moment between them, easily overlooked
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