Moffat's Season better than all of RTD Combined?

[Count Zero]

It's certainly a bit too early to really say because 'Moffat's season' hasn't even concluded, yet. But so far, my answer would be "No, not by a long shot." While many episodes were good, there's just something missing, I think. Nothing in this season has moved me as much as the ending of 'Doomsday' or even the end scene of 'The End of the World' and nothing has inspired me to think about life, the universe and everything as episodes like 'Utopia' did.
I've enjoyed most of the episodes but it feels more like fluff so far, pretty much forgotten by Monday.

 

[Starkers]

Oh God I know I shouldn't bite, but seriously I have to know. What or who fucked you up, dude. Seriously what life changing event made you such an angry person?

I don't expect an answer but like Khan it tasks me...

I'm sorry, when did this kind of thing become acceptable? That I give an opinion on a TV show (with reasons, I'd stress) that I'm not even alone in having, and you suggest my inability to enjoy it means I'm somehow fucked up? I'm always very careful to make sure that whenever I disagree with someone in such a way, I don't make it personal, but you've gone straight for it. I think that reflects far more badly on you. Poor show.

Actually, you've both put on a poor show here. Back off to your respective corners and let's not have a repeat.

Understood.

Bones, I'll never get why someone who clearly dislikes a show so much can keep watching, but I apologise for what I said earlier. It was uncalled for.

ps Catherine Tate, best new who Companion ever!

 

[Starkers]

It's certainly a bit too early to really say because 'Moffat's season' hasn't even concluded, yet. But so far, my answer would be "No, not by a long shot." While many episodes were good, there's just something missing, I think. Nothing in this season has moved me as much as the ending of 'Doomsday' or even the end scene of 'The End of the World' and nothing has inspired me to think about life, the universe and everything as episodes like 'Utopia' did.
I've enjoyed most of the episodes but it feels more like fluff so far, pretty much forgotten by Monday.

Yeah but taking Utopia and S3, I mean that season was pretty poor up until Human Nature/Family of Blood. The opening three eps were ok, but then we had a God awful run of Daleks/42/Lazarus-- and Doomsday was the last episode of the season so Moffat still has time.

I'm quite looking forward to Richard Curtis' episode, and we still have two more from Moffat as well.

 

[Count Zero]

Yeah but taking Utopia and S3, I mean that season was pretty poor up until Human Nature/Family of Blood.

Indeed. But we're already beyond this point in the current season. I had never seen anything of the show before I watched 'Rose' and by 'The End of the World' I was hooked. I'm not sure this would be the case if I had started with this season. But maybe I'm just jaded. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the season but it doesn't seem as special and outstanding as it used to be. It's basically complaining on a very high level. Other shows would be happy to have that kind of quality.

 

[Captain Pike]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the season but it doesn't seem as special and outstanding as it used to be.

Welcome to the club. This is how I have felt about the entirety of new Who, by and large..

 

[Candlelight]

I was never a fan of a few RTDisms but to say this season is great is a little far fetched. Other than the first episode which was extremely good (except for the silly food scene), the season has been a little average.

 

[Cutter John]

It certainly seems to be bringing a lot of fannish hostility to the surface. This place is starting to sound a bit like GB.

 

[Pindar]

It certainly seems to be bringing a lot of fannish hostility to the surface. This place is starting to sound a bit like GB.

This forum used to be the one place on TrekBBS that wasn't full of the tedious fan angst and relentless negativity.

Shame it seems to be changing.

 

[Deckerd]

Not really, look at the poll. It looks emphatically positive to me.

 

[Stevil2001]

This place is starting to sound a bit like GB.

Only with less gays.

Unfortunately.

 

[Cutter John]

Not really, look at the poll. It looks emphatically positive to me.

Thats the wierd thing. It's the same at GB. The current poll looks like this:

Yet from the comments, you'd think the numbers were the exact opposite. So I guess people who enjoy it are content to sit back, while the haters feel the need to shout to the world how much the show, Moffatt, Amy, etc, suck.

 

[Jax]

This place is starting to sound a bit like GB.

Only with less gays.

Sorry did we enter TNZ, god this forum is bigger on the inside

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Yet from the comments, you'd think the numbers were the exact opposite. So I guess people who enjoy it are content to sit back, while the haters feel the need to shout to the world how much the show, Moffatt, Amy, etc, suck.

Of course. I thought that was law #1 of the internets?

 

[Count Zero]

Yet from the comments, you'd think the numbers were the exact opposite. So I guess people who enjoy it are content to sit back, while the haters feel the need to shout to the world how much the show, Moffatt, Amy, etc, suck.

Of course. I thought that was law #1 of the internets?

I thought it was human nature. Also, I'm not sure I want to read a score of people posting the same banal statement along the lines of 'I liked it.'
And by the way, I don't think the atmosphere has changed that much here. We've always had very skeptical and critical voices here. Now they might come from different people, but that's all.


They do have a lot of poll options over at GB, though. Do people here want more options in the discussion threads?

 

[Cutter John]

I think our polls here are just fine Count.Ten choices is a bit of overkill I think.

You guys are right though. Maybe I'm just being too touchy this week.

 

[Skywalker]

It's way too early compare the two, but I do think that Moffat is overall a stronger writer than Davies, that Smith has settled into the role of the Doctor quicker and more naturally than either Eccleston or Tennant did, and that Amy is a much better companion than either Rose or Martha (but not Donna). I believe that, should the Moffat era last at least four years like Davies' did, then yes, it will average out to be better overall.

I'm very pleased with Moffat's first season so far (aside from "Victory of the Daleks," though even that one had its moments), whereas I didn't really warm up to Davies' first season until "Dalek" (with "The Unquiet Dead" being the only episode before it that I found to be genuinely good).

 

[Ubik]

Well, I'm not someone who's seen any of the episodes more than once (and I mean through all of new Who), so my feeling is based only on first impressions of each episode, and my emotional investment at the time of watching it.

But, so far, the show isn't quite as good as it was. I think Matt Smith is probably the best Doctor of the first 3; he slipped very smoothly into the role, and he's awkward and charming and overbearing and mysterious and adolescent and ethical and very layered, much like a Classic-Who Doctor. On the other hand, I seem to recall that, in the RTD years, half the episodes had me crying by the end of them. I mean that literally. I was shocked, watching the new show, how often it hit me emotionally - it was MOVING, really, really touching, in a very unusual way for television. So far, this season, much of that catharsis, that operatic sadness, is not there. Yes, the show has a more "classic" feel to it - which means, it's more lightweight, more mystery-based, a bit more dopey. Oh, it's perfectly entertaining. But there's something rare, special, that RTD brought to the new show, at least in the first few years, which thus far hasn't reappeared.

That's how I feel so far. I'm very much enjoying the show. I'm just waiting for it to find its new personality, its new tone. It still seems to be searching for it....

 

[intrinsical]

The Beast Below had me bawling like a baby. Seeing the whale bear all that suffering while still continually choosing to do the right thing despite the decades of inhumane treatment, seeing how the whale's situation resonates with the Doctor's and the amount of pain the Doctor feels from having to essentially turn a wonderful, humane creature into a living automoton and Amy's final insight and humanity... how can anyone not be moved by the entire episode? No other nu-Who episode I've watched has come close to making me crying so much.

 

[Sci]

Well, I'm not someone who's seen any of the episodes more than once (and I mean through all of new Who), so my feeling is based only on first impressions of each episode, and my emotional investment at the time of watching it.

But, so far, the show isn't quite as good as it was. I think Matt Smith is probably the best Doctor of the first 3; he slipped very smoothly into the role, and he's awkward and charming and overbearing and mysterious and adolescent and ethical and very layered, much like a Classic-Who Doctor. On the other hand, I seem to recall that, in the RTD years, half the episodes had me crying by the end of them. I mean that literally. I was shocked, watching the new show, how often it hit me emotionally - it was MOVING, really, really touching, in a very unusual way for television. So far, this season, much of that catharsis, that operatic sadness, is not there. Yes, the show has a more "classic" feel to it - which means, it's more lightweight, more mystery-based, a bit more dopey. Oh, it's perfectly entertaining. But there's something rare, special, that RTD brought to the new show, at least in the first few years, which thus far hasn't reappeared.

That's how I feel so far. I'm very much enjoying the show. I'm just waiting for it to find its new personality, its new tone. It still seems to be searching for it....

The Beast Below had me bawling like a baby. Seeing the whale bear all that suffering while still continually choosing to do the right thing despite the decades of inhumane treatment, seeing how the whale's situation resonates with the Doctor's and the amount of pain the Doctor feels from having to essentially turn a wonderful, humane creature into a living automoton and Amy's final insight and humanity... how can anyone not be moved by the entire episode? No other nu-Who episode I've watched has come close to making me crying so much.

I think that both of you are right, actually. I think that you've both described really well the fundamental emotional tones of RTD's and Moffat's works, respectively, and that you two just react different to the different emotional tones. Moffat is more subdued, and a bit more somber; RTD's is a bit more frantic and more overtly emotional. Different people will tend to react to the differing emotional tones differently, I think.

 

[jamestyler]

Moffat > RTD any day.

I'm far from an RTD basher, I liked his work for what it was, but the style of this series is far more my cup of tea.