Missed Oppertunities in Voyager
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But then they're idiots.
Remember Zoolander trying to get files out of that computer?
Remember Zoolander trying to get files out of that computer?
I mean, if they stuck around and fleshed out that area of the DQ culturally with multiple aliens the way DS9 did by being stationary than it means something would be at stake when the Borg would attack several times: If they win then several unique alien cultures are destroyed. That's more involving than one insignificant ship being hunted by the Borg.
The Kazon were simple ex-slave barbarians. I as a viewer could only stand to watch them one run through. The Vidians and Talaxians were more interesting. I wish the Vidiian doctor could have become a permanant hologram. The Borg cooperative should have received more attention. Voyager could have united the factions by reminding them that they need each other to survive, leaving supplies to make everyone sustainable, and taking messages from each member back to the AQ. Near the end of the series. Chakotay could learn of a Borg plot to reassimilate the cooperative. He could take a transwarp conduit back to that planet to stay with Riley (and wipe out the Borg transwarp network). It would have given him a better ending instead of being with an ice drone or drinking himself to death (alternate timeline).
I miss Kes. IMO, she was under utilized and and too criticized . She was the heart of Voyager. I would have liked to have seen Tom and Kes get married and have a child. Afterward, she could be killed or evolve and leave the ship. Her loss would have had much more of an impact on the ship. Tom would have had to rebuild his life as a single parent. He could have married B'eleana later. Lastly, I feel that the last episode of her in S6 was way out of character and jumped the shark. The doctor wasn't even shon once interacting with her. She was his best friend and advocate.
Seven of Nine basically eliminated both B'eleana and Harry Kim. She took what little airtime for them for herself. She was Kes' augmented repacement. I never felt that she grew as a character. She simply wore a thong and a tight Catsuit throughout the series. She should have been integrated as an officer or at least act more human with different clothing and hair styles. She could have got regular quarters and used a regenerator hookup. She was a drone in the beginning and acted like a drone in the end. Other Borg readapted (such as Riley and her warm and friendly Romulan buddy). I wished that Tuvok (or a guest telepath) would have mind melded with Seven to reintegrate the little girl within.
Lastly (for tonight), I would have liked to see a whole episode on Earth. I would have liked to see the crewmembers get reunited on earth. I also wished that Starfleet command (being pushed by some zealous admiral), decided to arrest the Maquis crewmembers and take Seven for questioning. Janeway could spring them and let them and other crewmembers take Voyager and escape into the deep void of space. It would have been ironic that they would all become fugitives fleeing Earth.
CobraP.S... I'm sure I'll find more to say after I finish rewatching the series. I hate how Spike never showed them in order. I also hated how they kept making the schedule jump around.
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After watching a few more mid episodes of S7 once more, I take back calling Seven an ice drone. It's been a good seven years since I've seen meaningful reruns in order. I'm going to continue rewatching the series to reacclimate myself. I still feel that the later seasons could have utilized the characters better. I still feel that there couldn't have been a mirror Voyager. The mirror Defiant was the most advanced ship that the ex-slave Terrans had. The situations leading up to how Voyager ended up in the Delta Quadrant couldn't have happened in the mirror universe. Lastly, seeing Janeway as an admiral didn't bother me. Picard turned down his admiral offer and Kirk wasn't the kind to be tied down to a desk. Heck, if they let weirdos like Nechayev and Sati (sp) be Starfleet officers, why can't she be an admiral? Cobra
As seen in TNG's "Parallels", there are infinite billions of alternate universes, where all sorts of things happened differently. I'm sure there could be one where the evil Empire never fell, and the ISS Voyager was sucked across the galaxy, raising hell all the way home.
The bolded part represents what may be the biggest problem with the show's later years, and really, my character shake-up proposal earlier in this thread was mainly about addressing that very issue. As for Seven, I think the main problems with her were A) that her presence eclipsed half the cast, and that she (along with Janeway, and to a lesser extent, the Doctor) dominated the show too much in the last few seasons, and B) the writers seemed at times to forget what she had previously learned about humanity/emotion from one ep to the next (or even one season to the next). Bit of a "Data syndrome."
I don't think "Twilight Zone mental" would work too well. Trek isn't a show where stuff just happens and reality gets twisted and a bunch of crazy shit might never get explained... You could do individual episodes like this at times ("The Thaw" kind of falls into that category, really), but I don't think that kind of mood/style would work over a sustained period of time. And I didn't expect the Delta Quadrant to be fundamentally different from the Alpha Quadrant, really, but I do think that most of the aliens we did see were rather uninspired.
So they could've done a Mirror Universe ep. Thank the Prophets they didn't. Not dredging that ridiculous storyline up yet again is one thing that VOY has over DS9.
Uh... except it wasn't a "Mirror" story at all. There was no alternate universe, there was no Terran Empire or reversed-from-normal political fortunes, they weren't faced with alternate versions of themselves. Nor did anyone suddenly jump into a silver, skin-tight dominatrix outfit (thankfully). And the whole thing never even happened! (The "evil Voyager crew" parts, anyway). Crew being shown to act evil =!= mirror universe episode.
Agreed on it being a fantastic ep, tho.
Ok, I didn't mean to imply that I thought YOU thought it was actually a "Mirror Universe" episode, per se. Reding my previoius post again, I did kind of give the impression that I was implying that, so oops on my part.That's why I said "Mirror" and not mirror.
But still, I think the comparison to the mirror eps is pretty hard to sustain, personally... the crew acting evil IS the only real similarity. The plot, the circumstances, the thematic concept and message... all of that is pretty different. Granted, "normal crew acting evil" is more or less what defines the mirror universe to begin with, but I still don't think it's very similar. Though I guess I can see comparing it in terms of "Here is a 'crew acts evil' story done RIGHT, better than those mirror universe eps." So maybe I'm contradicting myself? I'm not sure what I'm doing, so it's probably best to disregard my entire point about "Living Witness," cause I don't even know what it is anymore.
Except that it's a great ep.
Mental like Farscape?
Nah, that was insane.
Never understood the love for this episode. Missed it in first-run and caught it several years later on Spike. Was really pumped when I saw it on the channel guide.
Then I watched it.
Boy... was I disappointed.
The "Voyager' crew that was depicted by the alien race was so cartoon like that I have a hard time believing any sentient species would buy into it. Totally obliterated the episode.
Nothing says "evil" like black gloves and black undershirts.
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x23/livingwitness_006.jpg
"Living Witness" is one of the best episodes in the entire franchise.
The "Voyager' crew that was depicted by the alien race was so cartoon like that I have a hard time believing any sentient species would buy into it. Totally obliterated the episode.
Nothing says "evil" like black gloves and black undershirts.
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x23/livingwitness_006.jpg
That was sort of the point. WE couldn't buy it because of how over-the-top and campy it was (the same way the Mirror universe is campy except for that spoilsport Spock) but to them they'd be willing to present such a case rather than face anything close to the truth.
I mean, look at how campy and cartoony Chang was in TUC or Khan in WoK. We had no problem with either of them.
I mean, look at how campy and cartoony Chang was in TUC or Khan in WoK. We had no problem with either of them.
But Khan and Chang weren't written in a way that a whole race of people believed in the depiction. It just didn't work for me. YMMV.
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