Michelle Paradise: Seasons 3 and 4 covered rebuilding Federation arc; seasons 5 onward = new

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  1. Ar-Pharazon

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    I think the Borg made an offer like that. The Federation said no.
     
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  2. gvn2fly

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    Hoping season 5 is mostly episodic with a mix of an arc, but not a mystery box arc. No more season long mysteries please.
     
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  3. F. King Daniel

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    Since we've got SNW and LD doing planet-of-the-week, can't Disco do season long stories (although hopefully better than season 4 was)? With all this Trekkake, I don't want every show to be indistinguishable in style.
     
  4. gvn2fly

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    Yes I don’t have a problem with season long stories I think I would just prefer continuous serialized stories (even multi season) like DS9 had or like most serialized shows have rather than episode 1 introducing a mystery that will be wrapped up in episode 10.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    I would prefer the season long story but the bite back on Picard and Discovery will probably push to episodic format and create sameness across the shows.
     
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  6. Oso Blanco

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    :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
     
  7. FederationHistorian

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    Why can’t DIS do miniarcs like ENT S4? Or episodic content with serialised storytelling and character development. Such examples include the NX-01’s S1 journey to Risa, which involved protecting a Vulcan ambassador from corrupt Mazarites in one episode and Archer hanging out with space Bin Laden in another. The NX-01 visiting the repair station after hitting Romulan mine the following season is another, and that one could have been stretch out a few episodes

    DS9 itself had The Klingon-Cardassian war over the course of S4, and the build to the Federation declaring war with the Dominion in S5. There were also multiple episode arcs like Eddington vs Sisko, which were spaced out over S4 & S5.

    There are many different ways to change up the DIS format without going back to planet of the week like SNW & LD.
     
  8. EnderAKH

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    Simply put, because that's not what either the producers making the show or perhaps the studio/streaming service who commissioned the show want. They could do more standalones, as clearly shown by Strange New Worlds, but those aren't the stories they want to tell. They want to tell season long stories. As to why, it's probably because that's what streaming services tend to program, and modern successful sci-fi/fantasy series tend to be.
     
  9. FederationHistorian

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    No, like why don’t they write like there is a goal? Not something high stakes, but some sort of final destination for the season and write it out with that in mind. Any fears of it being filler can be offset that there is progressive character development going on while the crew explores.

    And how did having the Klingon-Cardassian war in S4, the Federation preparing for war with the Dominion in S5, and Eddington vs Sisko sprinkled in between not work for DS9? It seems like such a serialised format would be perfect for Discovery. Two major plots for two season each, linked together, with a miniarc in between.
     
  10. EnderAKH

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    Well, for both season 1 and 2, it's because the people in charge were changed midway through.



    Because the ratings for every season of Star Trek dropped after TNG, and producers/studios typically don't want to duplicate losing formulas? They like to MAKE money, not lose it.
     
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    Nah, I like the season-long arcs. Besides, the S3 and S4 models are basically designed to have episodic A-plots that are linked by a serialized B-plot until the last third of the season, when the serialized background plot moves to the foreground and takes over. It's similar to the model used by Doctor Who and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    That's literally how they wrote S3 and S4.
     
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    I love how everyone thinks my ideas aren’t geared to making money at all, and not based in reality. /s

    So, the format doesn’t make money, but they did it anyways for S3&4?

    DIS S3 & 4 doesn’t feel the same like DS9 S4 & 5 or ENT S1 & S2, although that may be because there isn’t as much filler.
     
  13. Sci

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    What the fuck are you talking about? Every season of DIS has made money. DIS S3 and S4 were written with "final destinations" in mind for the season and written out with those in mind.
     
  14. TedShatner10

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    DSCO being too serialised seems a relatively new Trekkie brainbug now, when I recall a couple episodic stories and under appreciated mini-arcs from its first season....
     
  15. F. King Daniel

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    I'm very curious if Picard season 2 fallout
    Namely, the Borg are now members of the Federation and no longer assimilate by force
    Will come up in the 32nd century. It's a perfect opportunity to see how such a massive change ends up.
     
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    It's awkward because on the one hand I want to see how things like that work out in the future, on the other hand I also want to see how it works out in the present. The more world building Discovery does, the more it risks spoiling events in the present day series, or locking them to a certain path.
     
  17. FederationHistorian

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    I forgot to quote to person above you, who said the formula doesn’t make money.

    In any case, DIS doesn’t do low stakes stories like trying to get to Risa for a vacay, or medium stake stories in trying to get help after a part of their ship is damage. And it doesn’t do filler either.

    Its not quite like DS9 S4/S5. Every season of DIS is more like ENT S3 with the filler removed.

    I don't think so.

    1) That story isn't done yet. And I think that Borg children in the 28th century, as brought up by LD, is a better reference point anyways in regards to Federation membership.

    2) DIS haven't brought up the synth ban, Mars attack, XBs & Hugh, the Artifact, or fallout from the Zhat Vash revelations from PIC S1. They haven't mentioned the Pakleds who are important to Lower Decks either. Plus, the Disco crew are barely familiar with Picard; I doubt they know or can be bothered to know who the Borg Queen is, or who Seven is, or that full Romulans started serving in Starfleet as early as the 25th century, or the 21st century Mariposa movement brought up in the finale, or are familiar with El-Aurians like Guinan. The Discovery crew don't even bring up Archer, Porthos & the rest of gang and the NX Refit, and they grew up with stories about them that likely inspired them to join Starfleet to begin with. Tilly's snowglobe with the original NX class Enterprise is as close as it got this past season.
     
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    I hope the Klingon Chancellor lost to an Earthling in Ping Pong and EVERY Klingon performed ritual suicide for that dishonor