Wait, I thought Antifa called themselves that?
MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"
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Renegade54 is a senior admin so I'd try asking them.
As I understand it, there is no single group called Antifa - but it is a moniker placed on people who are against fascism.
It serves the purposes of those on the right-wing of politics, to group these people, and describe them as some kind of force that should be feared.
From what I understand, it's so they don't have a thousand pages that are 'Unknown Type'.
So can't they apply that same policy with Adira, so we don't have debates about things that have been shown and proven multiple times.
here's MA's (current) resource policy
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Memory_Alpha:Resource_policy#Valid_resources
So I was wrong about the class names. They came from production sources so they are allowed to be used.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Memory_Alpha:Resource_policy#Valid_resources
So I was wrong about the class names. They came from production sources so they are allowed to be used.
Hold on a minute. If BTS sources are allowed in determining what's canon, Why the hell has there been a "debate" abt Adira's gender?? Didn't that come from production sources/promo material?
Yes it did. An example.
Thank you for providing. This all imo makes it more clear this was never abt "canonicity". I think i might point this out to Sulfur in the talk page.
At this point I think they could turn to the camera and say "Hi, I'm Adira, I am non binary, please update your encyclopedias accordingly" and MA would be arguing over whether they were referring to 32nd century computing tech being ternary in nature, and so we'd best leave their gender as female just to be safe.
According to the MA resource policy, Startrek.com is only valid as a source for background information, which is where it's referenced on the Adira Tall page. Background sources are used extensively on pages throughout the site, but in the background section of the articles.
This is correct, and exactly so... it applies to page names only. So in the Adira case, if they weren't named on-screen but *were* named, say, in After Trek, then we'd use Adira Tal to name the page instead of "Unknown Human" or "Unknown Non-Binary Human" or some such.
This is correct, and exactly so... it applies to page names only. So in the Adira case, if they weren't named on-screen but *were* named, say, in After Trek, then we'd use Adira Tal to name the page instead of "Unknown Human" or "Unknown Non-Binary Human" or some such.
No, and it would appear that you're being deliberately argumentative and confrontational. I joined this forum in good faith to both learn and act as a resource for others to learn. If you have questions, or would like to open a dialog, I'm more than happy to answer the questions or respond to the dialog, if asked in good faith. If you just want to cast stones, ok, I'm here, I have (relatively) thick skin, but it won't really get us anywhere.
I'm being slightly facetious to make the point that MA are ignoring what is right in front of their faces in this particular case and trying to act like it's a policy problem.
It was *always* about canonicity... if it's anything MA is anal about, it's canon. Sulfur will tell you the exact same thing.
If anyone is interested in hearing it, I can give you a blow by blow description of exactly what transpired over time on the Adira page, in more detail that Sulfur's post on the talk page (which all the admins had input into creating, btw).
Only slightly? :P
Please don't assume you're an expert on MA policy and I won't assume I'm an expert on TrekBBS policy (or a million other things about which I have no expertise). If you'd like to know more about a particular policy, I'll be happy to try to explain it to the best of my ability. And also keep in mind that while policies are dynamic and subject to change, change doesn't occur overnight. MA policies are changed via debate and consensus.
Why are you skirting around the fact that there are over 5000 instances of characters being gender identified as either male or female, in titles, sidebars, article texts, even characters with the same name being disambiguated on that basis and this is fine based solely on the apparent sex of the actor involved and no additional sources canon, production or otherwise. While for this one character with statements coming from multiple production staff, multiple official sources and it being generally widely reported that a non-binary actor is playing a non-binary character this is suddenly "not clear enough"?
@Renegade54 Is there update regrading my question abt Archduk3 conduct? From what I've seen this isn't exactly ooc behavior from them.
Where did I say that it was wrong to kiss someone in public? When I was twelve, I almost got lynched because while on vacation in Wroclaw (Poland) I was caught by some churchy vigilante behind a pillar in a church French kissing a girl. I'd be the last one to criticize anyone for kissing whomever they want wherever they want.
Surely you must know, that when homophobic people talk about "shoving sexual identity" in their face, this is what it really means.
There are gay people who get attacked for simply holding hands, or hugging in public.
Perhaps you should think twice between using phrases like that, and be clearer in what it is you object to, and ask yourself, if straight couples were doing the same thing, would you have a problem with it?
My problem comes from that fact if canonicity was the issue, why was Adira's page allowed to have Female(physiology) on it even tho that wasn't mentioned or shown on screen nor was mentioned in any BTS/production sources.