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MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"

Extrocomp said:
I'm done with this thread. I'll try not to judge the entire transgender community and their allies based on the way I've been treated here.
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If I can manage not to judge all cis people based on the guy who flinged a cigarette at me for being trans, I'm positive you're not gonna judge all of us because you didn't like how an internet thread went:techman:
 
Discofan said:
Not in France, we are protected against this kind of abuse. You can only fire people for something they did while they were supposed to work for you, not during their off time. Private life here is private. I am afraid your form of capitalism has just created a new kind of slavery.
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Funny, I don't feel like a slave. Those who stormed the Capitol surely didn't see any negative ramifications of their actions coming, even though social media has been a thing for close to twenty years now.

As far as companies in France goes...

In addition, the employer is also entitled to take measures based on the content an employee has posted on social media, even outside his/her working hours and place. Indeed, while French law generally prohibits disciplinary measures based on facts occurring in the sphere of the employee’s private life, such measures are permitted provided that the facts complained of regarding the employee are linked to the professional activities or constitute a violation of the employee’s contractual obligations (loyalty, confidentiality, etc.). Moreover, although employees benefit from freedom of speech both in the workplace and in their private lives, they cannot abuse it by making excessive, insulting or defamatory statements and more generally violate their contractual obligations.
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https://www.globalworkplaceinsider....a-in-france-employees-rights-and-obligations/

So, just like in America, you are expected to not act like an asshat, or there are possible ramifications up to termination.
 
cooleddie74 said:
Here's an idea to ponder: let people be their own sexual and emotional beings. You're whatever you are. They're whatever they are and have chosen to be. You don't have their struggle and if you did you might see things in a completely reversed way, and what is being said in this thread right now would be anathema.
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I don't know that's such a novel concept. Are you sure that won't upset people?
 
The Wormhole said:
No one is making fun of people who have legitimate health issues preventing them from having sex, or people who are too shy or socially awkward to score a date
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Except, that is originally what the term referred to when it was first coined, until the dickheads stole it. Unfortunately, the Internet/society in general seems to have let them get away with that.
 
BillJ said:
Funny, I don't feel like a slave. Those who stormed the Capitol surely didn't see any negative ramifications of their actions coming, even though social media has been a thing for close to twenty years now.

As far as companies in France goes...



https://www.globalworkplaceinsider....a-in-france-employees-rights-and-obligations/

So, just like in America, you are expected to not act like an asshat, or there are possible ramifications up to termination.
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I wouldn't base anything on a few articles. France has some of the tightest workers rights in the world and even people who work in hospitality like my friends do get proper contracts and termination rights which is almost unheard of in bar work. Also they don't feel the need to tip the same way as the US because they have the novel idea of making businesses pay a good wage rather than the customer having to do it
 
TimeIsAPredator said:
I wouldn't base anything on a few articles. France has some of the tightest workers rights in the world and even people who work in hospitality like my friends do get proper contracts and termination rights which is almost unheard of in bar work.
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I'm not saying it isn't harder to do. Just that there are instances where employers can terminate an employee for their actions, even outside the workplace. I imagine a bunch of folks storming the French capitol would face ramifications from their places of employment if caught.
 
BillJ said:
I'm not saying it isn't harder to do. Just that there are instances where employers can terminate an employee for their actions, even outside the workplace. I imagine a bunch of folks storming the French capitol would face ramifications from their places of employment if caught.
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Storming the capital is just a standard Sunday in France. They have had 2 monarchies, 2 empires and are on republic number 5 all in the time the USA has existed
 
Court_Vince said:
Update: All the talk pages on Adira's page been deleted. This is the only that's left.
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And the Non-Binary gender designation remains.

I am not sure I agree with some of what their conclusions are. I think the fact the character and actor were billed as being Non-Binary should be enough of a confirmation for the site, and I do not consider it ambiguous.

I also do not think removing Gender is "the right thing" it feels like appeasing bigots - but with non-human races, the shows have never been very detailed with it's depictions of non-binary gendered species - and so it would come down to apocrypha to flesh this out where the shows just say something like "we have 4 genders on ______".

In this example, and possibly with Gray Tal's page when we see more of the character - it felt egregious and went totally against the spirit of Adira's storyline and character arc.
 
Court_Vince said:
Update: All the talk pages on Adira's page been deleted. This is the only that's left.
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I understand the pronouns doesn't equal gender argument, and personally know a lot of people who are comfortable with multiple pronouns, including ones that aren't traditionally associated with their genders. That being said, this would open a rather big can of worms for MA, since there's a ton of characters, where the gender entry is based only on pronoun usage.
 
cultcross said:
What a load. "We just happened to make an unrelated policy change just at the wrong moment!" Sure.
And they're still trying to maintain that Adira is not canonically non binary, but everyone else on the site is canonically male or female.
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Yeah, this basically sums my thoughts. The mods just happened to make a change in gender poilcy right as they were rightfully getting shit for that "Female(physiology)" Nonsense? Sorry not buying it.
ETA: And to address the pronouns ≠ gender thing while this is correct, in Adira's case it doesn't really hold up since its been told to us over and over that they're nonbinary. And I'll say again I'm not really satisfied with response.
 
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Court_Vince said:
And to address the pronouns ≠ gender thing while this is correct, in Adira its doesn't really hold up since its been told us over and over that they're nonbinary
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Yeah that feels a very weak attempt to make it seem like their decision results from how very inclusive they are, with a side of "I've got a friend who...". I'm not buying it.

The line from the show is: Not... not "she."' I've never felt like a "she" or a "her,"

So clearly, the inclusive thing to do is to put "female" on the page info. You know, just in case.
 
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cultcross said:
What a load. "We just happened to make an unrelated policy change just at the wrong moment!" Sure.

And they're still trying to maintain that Adira is not canonically non binary, but everyone else on the site is canonically male or female.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This
 
There are about 2400 results for male, and about 2600 results for female on memory alpha.

If it isn't "clear" from canon that Adira is non-binary, then please post explicit canon sources for each one of those 5000 entries or kindly go fuck yourselves.
 
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