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Marvel/Netflix Daredevil season 2.

Well, I just finished last night, but I guess this thread has become sooooo three days ago.

Elektra got less obnoxious, but she never really clicked for me...she turned out to be more of a plot device than a fleshed-out character, which is particularly disappointing by the standards of this show.

It'll be interesting to see where Matt goes from here.
 
Well, I just finished last night, but I guess this thread has become sooooo three days ago.

Elektra got less obnoxious, but she never really clicked for me...she turned out to be more of a plot device than a fleshed-out character, which is particularly disappointing by the standards of this show.

It'll be interesting to see where Matt goes from here.
My vote is we'll see Matt in an adaptation of "Born Again".

Matt will start out fine, fall, and then rise again as a vengeful devil.

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I can definitely see them going with that storyline, given
Fisk's interest in investigating Murdock...likely to result in Fisk figuring out his secret ID. But will Matt even have a job at the beginning of the next season?
 
I can definitely see them going with that storyline, given
Fisk's interest in investigating Murdock...likely to result in Fisk figuring out his secret ID. But will Matt even have a job at the beginning of the next season?
Exactly. Plus Karen's shady past (which was alluded to in S1 and S2) will probably come into play. That'll be a way they could keep Karen integrated into an adaptation of a Born Again story line.
Thinking about Born Again in the MCU made me realize that they've already introduced Nuke!
I know right?!

Bring on Season 3!!!
 
Although, I don't know if I would want to see Born Again next season. There's still too much unfinished business with The Hand to resolve first. They should also get the Defenders out of the way before doing Born Again. Actually, that storyline would seem to be the perfect way to end the show in the final season.
 
I'd rather not see Born Again. Not really. I like their current style of taking a little here, a little there...no straight adaptations. But Fisk finding out Matt's secret and ruining his life? Yeah, I figure that's coming one way or another.

That's why I was glad Elektra got killed. Not because it happens in the comics, but because they did it without Bullseye so now we don't have to see it coming a mile off when Bullseye does inevitably show up. They'll do something else with him rather than just build up to that.
 
If they do Born Again, Bullseye and Gladiator for season 3, they can still do "Last Rites" and the conclusion of the Hand/Black Sky for season 4.

Sky's the limit really. They can pick story lines from Bendis', Brubaker and Waid's run. They can still do Typhoid Mary, maybe bring back the Punisher and all sorts of things.
 
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I haven't read Bendis or Brubaker or Waid's DD runs. Is anything there that stacks up to the Miller classics?
 
Little nit (Not a RANT, I swear!):
The way Karen's story seemed to assume a Hell's Kitchen readership...surely that paper has a wider circulation than one neighborhood in Manhattan.

Also, the way Christmas Eve came out of the blue....Was there any set-up for that? Especially as the implication was that she was struggling with the same writer's block as had been mentioned in previous scenes, which would further imply that she was trying to get out a story for the same upcoming Sunday as in those scenes.
 
I haven't read Bendis or Brubaker or Waid's DD runs. Is anything there that stacks up to the Miller classics?
In my opinion? Oh heck yeah. Some really great stuff.

...But take that with a grain of salt, I've never really worshipped at the altar of Miller. :)
 
Also, the way Christmas Eve came out of the blue....Was there any set-up for that?

Yeah, that puzzled me, seeing as how it was swelteringly hot in the first couple of episodes and the story only seemed to span a few weeks, if that.

Maybe it was an unseasonable December heat wave because of events taking place elsewhere in the MCU? (Someone opened the Casket of Ancient Summers?) ;)
 
I haven't read Bendis or Brubaker or Waid's DD runs. Is anything there that stacks up to the Miller classics?
I think Bendis and Brubaker runs are good compliments. Although Bendis' did get repetitive during his tenure. Waid lightened up DD, since the character is normally beaten down so much. With Miller though, you appreciate how great his story telling was, and how it is still used for inspiration today. One of the reason Miller's DD is great IMO, is because it has none of the Millerisms that we've come to associate with his writing. Pre-Sin City and Pre-Batman Frank Miller was an artist. After Batman and Sin City though, all his stuff starts to look, feel and sound the same.
 
Waid lightened up DD, since the character is normally beaten down so much.

Although he did a great job of making the "lighter" Matt a believable continuation of, and reaction to, all the darker stuff in his past. The darkness was still there, underlying it all, but he was actively resisting it by choosing to adopt a lighter outlook -- to the extent that Foggy even feared he was in denial and perhaps even mentally incompetent.

It's worth noting, though, that Waid was also bringing DD back to his original Stan Lee characterization. DD and Spider-Man were almost identical characters in the early years -- acrobatic, fast-talking wisecrackers in red tights, swinging from rooftops and aided by enhanced senses that alerted them to danger and let them perceive the unseen. (Indeed, Lee wrote Spidey's spider-senses as enhanced sensory awareness of objects and movements around him, rather than the psychic danger sense it was later presumed to be, and even showed Spidey using it to find his way in darkened rooms or locate hidden passages, just as DD's radar sense could.) Miller's dark, revisionist take on Daredevil probably made him a truly distinctive character from Spidey for the first time (as far as I know, since I'm not that expert on DD's history), but I feel that Lee's (and Waid's) carefree characterization made more sense for someone known as "Daredevil, the Man Without Fear."

I felt there was a degree of Waid's DD in Matt's characterization this season. He seemed to have become more cocky and self-assured since bringing down Fisk and adopting the costume, more convinced that he had the answers and was in control of his life -- which ended up becoming his biggest problem, because his arrogance led him to believe he didn't need anyone's help, so he isolated himself from his friends and allies. And Elektra appealed to his thrillseeking side and drew him in deeper.
 
Maybe it was an unseasonable December heat wave because of events taking place elsewhere in the MCU? (Someone opened the Casket of Ancient Summers?)
I can buy that. California has had some unseasonably hot Decembers the last few years. Of course this is New York and it should be cooler in NY than California. Still, maybe there is a bad drougt going on in the MC(TV)U.
 
Just watched episode 4. It was a nice slower, character based episode and a nice introduction to Elektra.
 
Finished the series and I like that they spread out development of the costumes, reveals and accoutrements but it's frustrating that the big reveals are at the very end of the seasons.
I can buy that. California has had some unseasonably hot Decembers the last few years. Of course this is New York and it should be cooler in NY than California. Still, maybe there is a bad drougt going on in the MC(TV)U.

Maybe in the MCU, NY is in the southern hemisphere? Or the Hell's Kitchen Gazette is really soft on deadlines. :)
 
Maybe the Hand dug that hole straight to the center of the Earth and the access to the molten planet core warmed up the neighbourhood. :D
 
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