Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Turtletrekker]

Yeah, you have to stretch like Reed Richards to make Ang Lee's film fit. To each, their own.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Either way, I don't think we should assume a movie done without any input from the current Marvel creative team is in the same universe as one that is unless it's clear they are (certainly, it's not worth bending over backwards to paper over inconsistencies). Although, I'm sure Daredevil will be quickly established as not consistent with Affleck's movie so this debate is one that will be limited solely to the Hulk.

We should not assume that, either. And yes I think its worth to consider because the film portrays a full image of the guy who, by Avengers, has come completely in peace with his anger. And what does Daredevil have to do with anything?

This is getting farcical. I understand that you like the first HULK movie, but you can't force it to fit in the MCU when it is not intended to.

For example:

The credits sequence in TIH can be easily explained as a quick what-happened-inbetween-Hulk-and-TIH -- Bruce came back, started working on the serom, tried to experiment again, to remove it, but unfortunately didn't succeed resulting to Betty's accident and him going away again. Its not that radical a thinking, unless you want it to be.

Seriously, we just had a TV special that went over the entire components of the MCU, that even went to the trouble of mentioning every bluray short film, and HULK is not there.

Yeah, that change is the big one. The origin of the Hulk as shown in that scene is different and I'm not at all sympathetic to the idea of a very convoluted theory of "going back" and doing it a second time in order to explain it. Nor does the first Hulk movie at all talk about super soldier or anything like that. The differences there are not small or insignificant and the gap between the movies is growing as more material is added.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

I just don't find myself convolutedness on Banner experimenting on an official capacity to extract the radiation out of him, because its not nearly as convoluted as many, many other things that populate the superhero genre. The entire idea of superheroes is convoluted, so the idea to go back and experiment to get the Hulk out of him is not nearly as extravagant.

Really, you guys need to loosen up. I understand most if not all of you don't like Lee's Hulk, but don't preclude others from considering it in the MCU.

 

[Kemaiku]

It's not.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'll tell you what, I'll table this discussion until a week from Tuesday.

 

[bbjeg]

I just don't find myself convolutedness on Banner experimenting on an official capacity to extract the radiation out of him, because its not nearly as convoluted as many, many other things that populate the superhero genre. The entire idea of superheroes is convoluted, so the idea to go back and experiment to get the Hulk out of him is not nearly as extravagant.

Really, you guys need to loosen up. I understand most if not all of you don't like Lee's Hulk, but don't preclude others from considering it in the MCU.

How would you explain Glenn Talbot's death in Ang Lee's Hulk and resurrection in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

 

[bbjeg]

In the light of Captain America: The Winter Soldier; who's with Hydra, who's working with the Clairvoyant, and who's with S.H.I.E.L.D.

I like AoS and all but I kinda want to watch ^that series.

AoS: The Next Level

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

How would you explain Glenn Talbot's death in Ang Lee's Hulk and resurrection in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

Two clearly different people.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Some in the AoS thread have insisted that Hand isn't the bad guy as last week's episode implied at the end...but I think they were revealing her as such, and that she'll be the face of the Hydra conspiracy on the show. We'll know more tonight.

 

[ITL]

From this interview with Kevin Feige:

IGN: I was wondering, can you absolutely confirm that Ang Lee's Hulk movie is not canon, because there was just the news today about Adrian Pasdar playing Glenn Talbot in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

Feige: Well, look, I would say that is not MCU canon, but when we made The Incredible Hulk, we didn't want to tell the origin story again, because we thought people were so familiar with it, which is why we didn't tell that. But you saw the way in which he was exposed to the gamma radiation in Ang Lee's version from the way you saw Bruce Banner was in the opening title sequence of The Incredible Hulk. So they're different. One reason we made Incredible Hulk was to get Hulk into the MCU canon.

I'm going to side with Feige on this one. HULK is not part of the MCU.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yeah, that was my take on it. It was a soft reboot that assumed people were familiar with Hulk's origins (either through the comics or from the previous movie) and they didn't need to devote time to an origin story again (they did have exposition explaining the whole thing in the middle of the movie, although I think that was specifically to make clear the supersoldier aspect of this version). But I don't think they intended to be tied down by any specific aspect of that first Hulk movie.

 

[Reverend]

I can't believe this is even considered debatable. As the man says, you see the bullet point version of the origin at the start of the Norton film. Hiring the same actor to play a tertiary role hardly canonised the Ang Lee film. It's like saying the Batman Arkham games are in the same continuity as the old DCAU cartoons because a number of voice actors reprised their roles. Or, for the sake or argument say Alfred Molina showed up in 'Amazing Spider-Man 3' I don't think anyone would seriously think that it'd prove that the old Tobey Maguire films took place in the same continuity. It's just common sense.

That aside, the tone and content of the Ang Lee film is so far removed from the Norton film I have a hard time imagining how anyone could think they're connected beyond both being about the same character.

 

[bbjeg]

So what was Heimdall thinking watching S.H.I.E.L.D. crash and burn?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

So what was Heimdall thinking watching S.H.I.E.L.D. crash and burn?

Do Asgardians meddle in internal affairs?

 

[Kemaiku]

The Asgard have watched thousands of years of humans slaughtering each other with complete disinterest. Odin made it clear what they think of us in TDW.

 

[bbjeg]

Still, after the world became aware of Thor, you'd think he would step up his game in keeping earth under his protection.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I can't believe this is even considered debatable. As the man says, you see the bullet point version of the origin at the start of the Norton film. Hiring the same actor to play a tertiary role hardly canonised the Ang Lee film. It's like saying the Batman Arkham games are in the same continuity as the old DCAU cartoons because a number of voice actors reprised their roles. Or, for the sake or argument say Alfred Molina showed up in 'Amazing Spider-Man 3' I don't think anyone would seriously think that it'd prove that the old Tobey Maguire films took place in the same continuity. It's just common sense.

That aside, the tone and content of the Ang Lee film is so far removed from the Norton film I have a hard time imagining how anyone could think they're connected beyond both being about the same character.

This debate reminds me of a common myth that the Transformers: Cybertron TV series is a sequel to the Transformers: Energon comic and not the Transformers: Energon TV series.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I can't believe this is even considered debatable.

This. That's all I have to contribute to that particular topic.

Still, after the world became aware of Thor, you'd think he would step up his game in keeping earth under his protection.

It's an internal affair...Asgard wouldn't protect Earth from itself. If Heimdall was paying enough attention, presumably he's known about the Hydra conspiracy for decades.

"Oh, look...the black ants finally learned that the red ants have been playing them."

 

[Kemaiku]

Still, after the world became aware of Thor, you'd think he would step up his game in keeping earth under his protection.

Loki made this very point to his face in The Avengers and Thor shrugged it off.

He cares about Jane, to a lesser degree Selvig and I suppose about Darcey.

He makes fancy speeches about being Earth's protector. But what he really means is, kicking the shit out of any *alien* threat, then disppearing back home to receive praise, and humans as a species to pick up the pieces. And cares little to nothing about anything else we do.

That a mad Beserker came to love Humanity more than Odin or Thor ever did says something.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It's not a bad thing...they're just concerned with a different scale. You can't save another free-willed species from themselves.