Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Thunderbolts trailer leak
So, in that trailer is
the guy called Bob actually Robert Reynolds, aka The Sentry? I've seen some speculation about that online, and I really don't know how to feel about it. In the comics I've mostly found The Sentry to be a one note Jekyll and Hyde character who got worse with every retcon to his past (him being a drug addict who got his powers from taking a random drug was especially eye rolling). When it comes to Marvel analogues for Superman, good or evil, I've always found the versions of Hyperion of the Squadron Supreme/Sinister to be more interesting.
I'm really not sure what putting Sentry into the Thunderbolts movie would do. He's so over powered that it would be ridiculous for him to be the big threat of the movie (none of the Thunderbolts could lay a finger on him if he had his powers), but I don't know why he'd be there in the first place outside of being an antagonist.
I'm really not sure what putting Sentry into the Thunderbolts movie would do. He's so over powered that it would be ridiculous for him to be the big threat of the movie (none of the Thunderbolts could lay a finger on him if he had his powers), but I don't know why he'd be there in the first place outside of being an antagonist.
Ah! For once I catch one before it's shipped away.
Looks pretty promising even based on that limited audio and resolution.
Looks pretty promising even based on that limited audio and resolution.
From the way the trailer played out, it doesn't look like The Sentry is the main bad guy, it sounded them running to him after they were fighting each other was set up by someone else who is trying to get them all killed. So he's basically just a weapon the real mastermind was trying to use against them.
Thunderbots is one of the MCU things I forgot to mention in my above thread that makes me kind of excited about the MCU for the first time in awhile. I am curious about Wonder Man but I have no idea really about who Wonder Man is to have one strong opinion or another.
Something interesting I haven't seen anyone mention yet about the T-Bolts trailer:
I didn't see Bucky, Taskmaster or whoever Geraldine Viswanathan is playing (hopefully Songbird) anywhere in the trailer.
Maybe I missed them somewhere in the background due to the darkness and low vid quality, but they're definitely not there in the scene where the 'Thunderbolts' first meet each other or the scene where Valentina is convincing them to be a team and go on a mission for her or in the car (when they are presumably on their way to the mission).
I think that lends weight to my suspicion that there's a second team (I guess, given this trailer, led by Bucky) who Valentina claims are the bad guys and the two teams are going to split apart and lose various members to each other before the final fight with the actual Thunderbolts only coming into existence in the third act.
And if that's true, it gives me a lot of hope that this movie is going to be a fully genuine adapatation of the Thunderbolts concept and not, as a lot of people keep expecting, a lazy attempt to create a Marvel branded version of the Suicide Squad.
Maybe I missed them somewhere in the background due to the darkness and low vid quality, but they're definitely not there in the scene where the 'Thunderbolts' first meet each other or the scene where Valentina is convincing them to be a team and go on a mission for her or in the car (when they are presumably on their way to the mission).
I think that lends weight to my suspicion that there's a second team (I guess, given this trailer, led by Bucky) who Valentina claims are the bad guys and the two teams are going to split apart and lose various members to each other before the final fight with the actual Thunderbolts only coming into existence in the third act.
And if that's true, it gives me a lot of hope that this movie is going to be a fully genuine adapatation of the Thunderbolts concept and not, as a lot of people keep expecting, a lazy attempt to create a Marvel branded version of the Suicide Squad.
If this movie is actually a Thunderbolts adaptation, it makes perfect sense to me. Sentry is a perfect character for exploring the kind of themes the Thunderbolts franchise is all about. A guy who really wants to be a hero but is really bad at it and easily manipulated into being a villain, the people around him torn between whether to support his attempts at being a hero or demand he stop using his abilities entirely before more people get hurt, etc, etc.
He ought to be, but the official word so far is that he isn't. I hope - but don't necessarily expect- that that's a 'Andrew Garfield is not in No Way Home' situation.
Well, the first two you mention are definitely in there. The third one, I'm not sure either.
There's actually a scene where
Bucky takes his arm out of a dishwasher
@Grendelsbayne Bucky's in the trailer multiple times. Stan is looking a mite hairier I admit but he's there
Yup. We see him in both a suit & tie at about the one minute mark and a little later in a tux, spying on Val (Who is finally sporting her iconic white stripe in her hair).
We see him at the back of the elevator shot and he is with the team when they're confronting Val. And how could you miss him washing his arm in the dishwasher?
Evidently our friend James Buchanan Barnes is now serving as a member of Congress
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Yeah, I missed a lot apparently between the darkness, the video quality and the weird angle and small screen. This is why I don't normally like watching these bootleg trailers, but I couldn't resist this one.
I'm still not sure where Taskmaster is, though. Is she the one with the white mask with eye holes that appears briefly once or twice? I think with the shape and color of that mask I was confusing her with Ghost the whole time when I first watched the trailer.
I'm still not sure where Taskmaster is, though. Is she the one with the white mask with eye holes that appears briefly once or twice? I think with the shape and color of that mask I was confusing her with Ghost the whole time when I first watched the trailer.
Yes. She's seen holding the Taskmaster shield.
Geraldine Viswanathan is playing Val's assistant. Mind you, that doesn't prevent her from also being Songbird or anyone else. Considering how much I adore her work in Miracle Workers and Bad Education, I like to think she's more than just an assistant. I noticed she barely got to say anything at the Comic-Con panel and post-panel interviews, so perhaps they're being tight lipped about who she is really playing.
Either way, I didn't see her in the trailer.
Edit: I stand corrected. I just rewatched the trailer (which I'm surprised is still up!) and she briefly appears at the 2:50 mark, looking up at something.
Either way, I didn't see her in the trailer.
Edit: I stand corrected. I just rewatched the trailer (which I'm surprised is still up!) and she briefly appears at the 2:50 mark, looking up at something.
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In other news, Kathryn Hahn, Aubrey Plaza, and Joe Locke talked to Total Film about the cinematic influences on Agatha All Along:
While looking up something on the shows Wikipedia article, I noticed that there's an official synopsis for the series (per Variety):
Feels like they're trying so hard to not reveal who the mysterious teen is, despite the rumors from last year that he's actually Billy Kaplan.
Star Joe Locke tells Total Film in our new issue that the show references a serious number of iconic movies with The Wizard of Oz one of the most cited. He reveals in the issue out on Thursday, August 15, which features Beetlejuice Beetlejuice on the cover, that "every episode has a different classic horror/thriller film that it is basing itself off".
The Heartstopper actor goes on to add: "There are some great Exorcist references in there. Rosemary’s Baby was one of them. There’s so many. Also, The Goonies – that was the one for me. There was one day that Jac sent Kevin a picture of something, and he replied literally saying, 'Oh my God, it’s The Goonies.' So, that one for me was the big one."
Locke isn't alone in loving the pop culture references either, with Aubrey Plaza also sharing some of hers. "The Craft is one that I felt was really tonally coming through. That movie gets hardcore scary, and what’s cool The Craft is one about Agatha is it really rides the line. There are times when it’s really funny and almost has this campy quality, but then there are times that it just gets really dark and grounded and scary."
Meanwhile Agatha herself Kathryn Hahn says she loves the callbacks to old Hollywood. "There’s some Nancy Meyers in there. There is, [as] for witches, some of the friendship of Hocus Pocus – the deep, sweet friendships – and also the terror of Practical Magic, of stuff like Poltergeist or E.T."
The biggest takeaway for me is how Jac Shaeffer is repeating her season structure of different influences for each episode as she did with WandaVision, but this time with horror/thriller films instead of sitcoms. I'm not the biggest fan of horror films but I trust Shaeffer enough that she won't lean too hard into the gore (I hope!).While looking up something on the shows Wikipedia article, I noticed that there's an official synopsis for the series (per Variety):
The infamous Agatha Harkness finds herself down and out of power after a suspicious goth teen helps break her free from a distorted spell. Her interest is piqued when he begs her to take him on the legendary Witches’ Road, a magical gauntlet of trials that, if survived, rewards a witch with what they’re missing. Together, Agatha and this mysterious teen pull together a desperate coven, and set off down, down, down The Road.”
Feels like they're trying so hard to not reveal who the mysterious teen is, despite the rumors from last year that he's actually Billy Kaplan.
Doing an MCU rewatch. One thing I've noticed is they "waste" a lot of characters in flunky roles. Crossbones, Von Strucker, the Shocker and the Tinkerer come to mind because I've recently watched Civil War and Homecoming. A lot of the time their roles could be filled by any nameless flunky rather than Easter Egging a name from comics
Yeah, I was really shocked at the way they got rid of Crossbones so quickly after they went to such lengths to set him up in the previous movie. And I most certainly didn't expect Baron Wolfgang von Strucker to be a one and done villain. Von Strucker's son got more air time on Agents of SHIELD than the Baron did in the movies.