I hope they do better than the last movie, where that line turned out to be what his abusive brother said before he beat him up...
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I hope they do better than the last movie, where that line turned out to be what his abusive brother said before he beat him up...
That's how the Josh Trank movie did it, establishing "It's clobberin' time" as what Ben's abusive older brother said before beating Ben up, which was horrible and totally ruined it. So please, please, no, don't let them do anything remotely like that.
Or maybe this version of Ben decided after all these years of being abused, he decided to take one part of that and made it his own. As part of his healing process. I'm not saying that is the best way to deal with it, but everyone needs to deal with their trauma in their own way without judgement.
I personally know people who did things like that and came out stronger. So yeah, I kinda try to not judge things like that and measure it with my own way of doing things.
"Without judgment?" What are you talking about? I'm not judging the choices of a fictional character, because he doesn't exist and only does what the filmmakers decide he should do. I'm judging the real live filmmakers who twisted a popular heroic catchphrase into something dark and ugly.
True; the MCU would feel expansive if it had more films not all chained to the present day. The FF were characters with origins so intrinsically formed by the Cold War (unlike any other Marvel Silver Age creation), that attempts to shoehorn them into the present day (with its often rinsed and repeated scripting and characterization) gutted the essence of what a Cold War-aligned Fantastic Four meant to the early years of a Marvel Universe.
And Dum Dum Dugan.
And then in the first media article about the box office.
Iron Man might be a close second. His origin literally takes place in Vietnam. Many of his early foes were Russian and Chinese agents.
I've been wanting a '60s FF since Peyton Reed was connected. I'm actually pleasantly surprised if they truly end up going this route. Yes, there will be a time jump at some point ala Captain America, but I won't complain about that.
If we're talking characters whose origins are rooted in the Cold War, I'd say the Hulk takes the cake. Bruce Banner was literally a guy who invented weapons of mass destruction and doomsday devices for a living, not just in his origin story but as his ongoing occupation in the subsequent years of the comic. You'd think that would be a job for a supervillain, but in the depths of the battle against the "Red Menace," inventing new ways to kill millions was seen as patriotic and noble.
Of course, Nick Fury and SHIELD were very, very, very much rooted in Cold War-era spy fiction, as was Black Widow. If there were any Marvel character I think a '60s setting would be a good fit for, it would be Black Widow. (Or at least a Black Widow, since they'd have to introduce one we haven't seen before.)
Yep.
At least 6 of us here are in agreement.
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The problem wasn't focusing on the origin. It was that the telling of it was done poorly. Twice. (But more so on the 2nd)
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Maybe you should read some of the ideas others had. The basic thing would be easy -- some sort of time travel, or trapped in the Negative Zone... and/or crossing of Multiverses (which isn't what Phase 5 is supposed to be about -- multiverses... even Deadpool 3 will tie into it, right?)
Definitely the Elements make sense (and has been said about Reed ...it's "stretching" it but it fits)
But @Nightowl1701 has hit it on the head -- this is how the origin can really help nail down these characters to the public -- as their transformations are manifestations of their personalities. Did ANY of the previous movies really make that connection in a way that stuck to the audience? (Or even barely apparent to them???)
The thing is you are NOT most "folks" -- you have a different way of seeing things... but by not seeing that, you aren't getting @YLu 's point. Take yourself out of it, and ask everyone else.
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Well..... that sure ain't happening int he MCU... even if they had a FLashback to SUbmariner, we now have issues with that actor, so it's not worth a Retcon for him.... Bucky Disappeared before he could really be brought in (at least to this group), and apparently the HUman Torch was retired by the time Steve enlisted.
But some variation -- sure wouldn't mind!
So is that official art, or just some fan art that looks pretty cool?
Can someone remember and go back to this -- i am genuinely interested to see if @theenglish 's prediction comes true.
As you just pointed out, the writing of that movie, by twisting "good things" into bad sank it.... not that they used the origin -- but rather, like the part YOU just pointed out, a lot of good stuff was trashed (rather than "updated" in a way that would still work -- like Tobey's organic webshooters)
To be fair... like with all comics, they kinda had to bring them up into the modern age, at least in the comics. And its not that unreasonable for the MCU... but i think as the majority seem to agree, at the very least, starting in the 1960's can still be a hit.
They probably will still want to bring them into the 21st century.
My question is , though, how long do they look to have the current FF in play? WIll it be for more than a couple of movies (2 for the team and 2 for Avengers )?
It would be a challenge to get right but that would be an interesting direction to take
The biggest risk with going to the 60s is that the movie turns into a PSA about all of the injustices of the time period. And I really don't want to see an after school special.
The problem with the F4 is that there is nothing unique or interesting about the super hero group. It's as if Marvel having failed over and over recently with movies said: what super hero franchise are we really bad at bringing to the big screen? F4. Okay, let's make that. This makes no sense. They'd be better off making an animated show with far less risk to see if there is even an audience for this show.
The problem with the F4 is that there is nothing unique or interesting about the super hero group. It's as if Marvel having failed over and over recently with movies said: what super hero franchise are we really bad at bringing to the big screen? F4. Okay, let's make that. This makes no sense. They'd be better off making an animated show with far less risk to see if there is even an audience for this show.
They don't.
Studios decide what movies to promote and book onto screens during peak attendance periods based on cost. They decide whether to release a project theatrically at all based on cost.
Recast Namor
The Torch was in a tube at the tech expo Steve went to. He's probably never been out of it. That's where his origin begins.
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If it looks like a movie that is worth that much. .. usually those that had a lot of money spent, like Avatar or any of the Avengers. And most executives wouldn't spend a lot if they didn't think it was worth it.
And if the "rule" is true... that studios spend as much a smarketing as the production budget, then those high end movies should get a lot of publicity, and there fore , more viewers