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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Point of order. She was introduced in the first Captain Marvel movie in 2018, set all the way back in 1995. It's true that wandavision gave her powers, but it's not where she was introduced.

Except the "she" being discussed in those posts is Teyonah Parris, not Monica Rambeau. So it is correct to say she was introduced in WandaVision.
 
So what? That doesn't mean Parrish should have been denied her own solo project before doing "THE MARVELS".

So, none of you see anything wrong with Parrish being the only lead in "THE MARVELS" not given a solo project beforehand? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This is typical of pop culture fans . . . and Marvel fans.
What part of The Marvels don't you get?
 
So what? That doesn't mean Parrish should have been denied her own solo project before doing "THE MARVELS".

So, none of you see anything wrong with Parrish being the only lead in "THE MARVELS" not given a solo project beforehand? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This is typical of pop culture fans . . . and Marvel fans.

Does every character introduced in the MCU require a solo project? I didn't know that's how the contracts were set up while casting.
 
Except the "she" being discussed in those posts is Teyonah Parris, not Monica Rambeau. So it is correct to say she was introduced in WandaVision.
I missed that--I was thinking of the characters. Is the point being made because of her skin colour or just because a star of a Marvel movie should have their first movie as a solo project?
 
So, none of you see anything wrong with Parrish being the only lead in "THE MARVELS" not given a solo project beforehand?

That's not uncommon in the MCU. Look how long it took for Black Widow, Hawkeye, Vision, and Scarlet Witch to get their own self-titled projects. Or the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Or Loki.

They've only got a finite number of projects, and a lot of new characters to introduce. So it seems self-evident that not all of them would get their own solo projects.

In this case, while Monica Rambeau does have a lot of history in Marvel, in recent years both Carol/Captain Marvel and Kamala/Ms. Marvel have been big hits in the comics, while as far as I know, Rambeau has not been as prominent. So it's no surprise that they gave the solo projects to the two who've been the standouts in recent years. Although WandaVision and The Marvels are opportunities to raise Rambeau's profile for the future.
 
I was underthe impression that in spite the title Carol is the lead in this film with Kamala and Monica as secondary leads Much like Fury in the first film.


But the Kamala Khan character just had her own solo production, as well. I thought there would be one for Monica, after the events of "WandaVision", but apparently not.

I've read all the posts and see them as nothing more than excuses. I'm sorry. Not only will I be skipping "The Marvels", but I'm going to encourage others to skip it as well. Not surprisingly, the MCU's take on being progressive is half-done as usual.
 
I was under the impression that in spite the title Carol is the lead in this film with Kamala and Monica as secondary leads Much like Fury in the first film.
You might be right but I expect it's going to be co-leadership between the three with Fury in the supporting role again.
 
Oh hey, that molehill turned into a full mountain range quickly, didn't it? You'd almost think it wasn't perfectly normal for movies to have *checks notes* . . . supporting characters? So when do we start the boycott of all Disney releases until they give us an Everett Ross solo movie?

I was underthe impression that in spite the title Carol is the lead in this film with Kamala and Monica as secondary leads Much like Fury in the first film.
That or it's an 'Ant-Man & the Wasp' dynamic. The plot is still probably going to be Carol-centric as we've already seen Kamala is literally getting pulled into it out of nowhere, and given where she was the last time we saw Monica, her entry vector into whatever the plot is going to be seems fairly obvious.

Honestly, I'm mostly curious to see what the dynamic between Monica and Kamala is going to be more than anyone else. Wandavision seemed to imply something of a raw nerve when Carol's name was mentioned, so having to deal with someone that worships her may lead to something interesting.
 
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But the Kamala Khan character just had her own solo production, as well. I thought there would be one for Monica, after the events of "WandaVision", but apparently not.

I've read all the posts and see them as nothing more than excuses. I'm sorry. Not only will I be skipping "The Marvels", but I'm going to encourage others to skip it as well. Not surprisingly, the MCU's take on being progressive is half-done as usual.

So you made a completely unsupported assumption for no apparent reason whatsoever and that's now the movie's fault.

Do you have an actual reason why this one specific character *must* have a solo project at all, let alone why she *must* have it before The Marvels is released instead of after?
 
So you made a completely unsupported assumption for no apparent reason whatsoever and that's now the movie's fault.

Do you have an actual reason why this one specific character *must* have a solo project at all, let alone why she *must* have it before The Marvels is released instead of after?


Do you have a reason why she shouldn't? Or an excuse? Why should there be solo projects for Carol and Kamala and not Monica?
 
Do you have a reason why she shouldn't? Or an excuse? Why should there be solo projects for Carol and Kamala and not Monica?

Why should there be a solo project for T'Challa and not Namor? Why should there be for The Eternals and The Thunderbolts but not The X-men? Why for Shang-Chi but not Xu Xialing? You can ask this exact same question a million times for a million different characters but - even ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that you don't actually know they *won't* give this character a solo project - its not an even remotely reasonable thing to take the filmmakers to task for unless you have a much better reason for why they *should* make said film than just 'Why not?'

So do you?
 
But the Kamala Khan character just had her own solo production, as well. I thought there would be one for Monica, after the events of "WandaVision", but apparently not.

All MCU projects are announced well in advance. We've known for a while now that WandaVision was meant to set Monica up for The Marvels.


I've read all the posts and see them as nothing more than excuses. I'm sorry. Not only will I be skipping "The Marvels", but I'm going to encourage others to skip it as well. Not surprisingly, the MCU's take on being progressive is half-done as usual.

Huh? They just made a whole series starring a Pakistani-American Muslim female superhero. How is that not progressive? Not to mention that this is a movie with three female leads, when in the first three phases we had no female-led movies.

And it's bizarre to imply that the MCU is somehow being racist when we've got upcoming productions including Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Blade, the Anthony Mackie-led Captain America, the Sam Jackson-led Secret Invasion, Echo (starring a deaf Native American woman), and Ironheart.

Not to mention it's illogical to assume that just because Monica didn't get a solo project before The Marvels, she will somehow be less than equal within The Marvels. There are plenty of cases where an MCU character has had a smaller role in one production and an equal or starring role in the next. Presumably the whole point of calling it The Marvels is that it's about all three of them equally.


Do you have a reason why she shouldn't? Or an excuse? Why should there be solo projects for Carol and Kamala and not Monica?

If you're already predisposed to dismiss any argument that doesn't affirm your beliefs as an "excuse," then it's a waste of time to try to convince you of anything. But why would you expect every single MCU character to have a solo film? There's never been a solo film or series for Bucky Barnes, even though the Winter Soldier has been and continues to be a major MCU player. There's never been a solo film for Wong, yet he keeps showing up everywhere and is kind of a breakout star lately. The MCU has a deep bench of continuing supporting players. Not everyone in it needs their own self-titled work to be important.
 
It's quite possible that if the character clicks they will schedule a Photon film or series in a later Phase. Monica played a big part in WandaVision. I can see her in a future Avengers film. At one point in the comics she led the Avengers. It took years for Black Widow, Hawkeye, Fury and Wanda to get their "features".
Indeed. Not every character is going to get a solo shot, nor will they all resonate with the audience in a way that makes sense to invest time, money and resources in to.

Though, I'm still waiting for my War Machine solo...
 
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