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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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The reason why conservatives like some female characters and not others is often based on the ideology and politics in a movie and show and also whether or not the movie or shows they are in also have a well rounded and strong male character as well. Ripley had Bishop and Hicks. Sarah Conner had Kyle Reese and Arnold. Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor and the list goes on.

People keep thinking it's about the women just being in the movies/shows that is upsetting them but it's actually about the male characters being or not being in the movie or show and their actual role in the story and also the political themes of a movie and show and how Overt they might be. Not to mention they have a harder time complaining about movies and shows that are truly good so they really go after low hanging fruit such as Ghostbusters 2016, the new Disney SW movies etc.
I consider myself more conservative than not. I have no issue with female characters.

Could be an entire female cast and wouldn't bother me.
 
Well I think people understand if they say something like Republicans are doing something bad or Democrats are doing something bad it's just assumed that person doesn't literally mean every single Republican or Democrat is doing something bad. It's just shorthand language so you don't have to keep repeating qualifiers.
 
I prefer precision in language to avoid generalities. Yes, it takes more time, and yes it's annoying but dealing with such a large group of people (fans, political groups, etc.) those qualifiers are helpful.

The reason why is because those generalities are held by many to be "all conservatives." I live in a region were that gets applied very broadly and people think the whole region is a particular way. It's not.

But generalities stick. It's unhelpful. It's a logical fallacy.
 
Well then some/lots of Republicans then feel that way towards modern male and female characters. To be accurate you likely have some on the left as well.
 
Well I think people understand if they say something like Republicans are doing something bad or Democrats are doing something bad it's just assumed that person doesn't literally mean every single Republican or Democrat is doing something bad. It's just shorthand language so you don't have to keep repeating qualifiers.

And it's assumptions like that, that lead to communication breakdown.
 
The reason why conservatives like some female characters and not others is often based on the ideology and politics in a movie and show and also whether or not the movie or shows they are in also have a well rounded and strong male character as well. Ripley had Bishop and Hicks. Sarah Conner had Kyle Reese and Arnold. Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor and the list goes on.

People keep thinking it's about the women just being in the movies/shows that is upsetting them but it's actually about the male characters being or not being in the movie or show and their actual role in the story and also the political themes of a movie and show and how Overt they might be. Not to mention they have a harder time complaining about movies and shows that are truly good so they really go after low hanging fruit such as Ghostbusters 2016, the new Disney SW movies etc.

IE, they're fine with women characters as long as they're dependent on men and are usually overshadowed by them?
 
One of the things I loved about it was the subtle ways all of the more and more things started creeping into Wanda's fantasy world right up until it completely broke, and if you skip the first the first three episodes you lose all of that. And the whole point of the show is seeing how desperate to Wanda is to escape her pain and her grief, and you really need every episode of the show, to really understand just how desperate she was and how far she was willing to go.
And I'm 36, and I'm a huge fan of a ton of old shows like The Andy Griffith Show, The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Dream of Jennie, and Betwitched.
 
The Road to Agatha
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OK, this is really starting look like it has the potential to be one of the best, or at least one of my favorite, MCU series.
And I'm wondering if we're going to be getting more than just these two versions of Down The Witches' Road.
 
People keep thinking it's about the women just being in the movies/shows that is upsetting them but it's actually about the male characters being or not being in the movie or show and their actual role in the story and also the political themes of a movie and show and how Overt they might be. Not to mention they have a harder time complaining about movies and shows that are truly good so they really go after low hanging fruit such as Ghostbusters 2016, the new Disney SW movies etc.

You're spot on. And the movie where X-23 appeared was literally titled "Logan".

I remember we used to have a poster on this board who had nothing against the Supergirl series until the final battle of season 2 when Kara took down Kal in the final episode. That poster was so bothered by this that he ended up leaving the board over it. It didn't matter that Kryptonians strength came from their powers, only that Superman's strength had to be ultimately greater than Kara's. He was fine with everything (IIRC) up until that episode and it blew his mind so much, he kept going back to that one point over and over again for years.
 
I remember we used to have a poster on this board who had nothing against the Supergirl series until the final battle of season 2 when Kara took down Kal in the final episode. That poster was so bothered by this that he ended up leaving the board over it. It didn't matter that Kryptonians strength came from their powers, only that Superman's strength had to be ultimately greater than Kara's. He was fine with everything (IIRC) up until that episode and it blew his mind so much, he kept going back to that one point over and over again for years.

I remember that. I tried in vain to point out that strength is not the only thing that determines victory in a fight. Kara learned her fighting technique from her sister Alex, who as a 5'6" female combatant must have trained specifically in how to defeat bigger, stronger opponents; indeed, we often saw her do just that. Superman, meanwhile, was self-taught, and had probably gotten by with strength and speed alone and hadn't needed to learn sophisticated technique. So it was entirely logical that Kara could outfight Clark despite Clark being stronger.

Really, it was strange to me that this poster was so adamant that the winner of a fight must be the stronger fighter. I mean, even aside from how untrue that is in real life, heroes in fiction have been defeating bigger, stronger opponents since at least David and Goliath. It's normal in fiction for heroes to be outmuscled or outgunned by their opponents, so that the heroes' victory over them is more impressive.
 
It's almost like combat is determined by a multitude of factors rather than just raw strength.

Usually if a character is just "strong" they are regarded as a brute, unrefined and unskilled.

Indeed. But that "unrefined" and "unskilled" notion is a bias from a faction within another ideological group, some among their number resenting the fact that in many cases, someone with great physical strength can overwhelm, with no amount of fighting skill or strategy able to counter that force.
 
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