The supernatural stuff is going on in all episodes including episode 1.
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Okay, so why are people fine with her but angry at characters like Kate Bishop or the other "replacement females"?
100% agreed. I Dream of Jeannie's madcap physical comedy and the timing of the original cast is still hysterical.
The Dick Van Dyke Show remains one of the funniest and most intelligent comedies in US television history.
Totally agreed here as well. My Mother the Car wasn't particularly good. Neither was The Second Hundred Years. Or even shows I enjoy, like Lost in Space and Land of the Giants. Not actually a "good" shows.
And there are literally hundreds of old movies that suck. We usually only talk about the classics.
I wouldn't say this is true, but I get that it's probably the only one you like from that era. The Honeymooners (the classic 39) is still uproarious and I enjoy it far more than I Love Lucy - a show that I respect, but can't tolerate.
Comedy is subjective, probably more than any other genre. One can enjoy Westerns and it will be a safe bet that any half dozen would be entertaining to that person. But laughter is harder to get out of people consistently.
I see what you're saying even if we don't enjoy the same shows from the era or even agree that nostalgia is a motivating factor. If I can watch a 60 year old show with no connection to it from my past, it's not nostalgia. And even those shows and movies that DO mean something from my childhood, it doesn't mean I'm watching them with my nostalgia glasses on. Superman is still an amazing film in its own right. Superman II needs the glasses.
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I'd say Lost in Space's first 7-8 episodes are fairly good, and the first season overall is decent, while the second is terrible and the third starts out okay but then sinks back to terrible. The first season is virtually a different show from seasons 2-3. There are many shows like that, where you can't really assign a blanket value to the quality because different seasons vary wildly in quality due to showrunner changes, network/studio meddling, etc.
Putting in my tuppence to say that the Phil Silvers Show, 1955-1959, remains one of the greatest, wittiest and most smartly-delivered and cast sitcoms of all time, providing in many ways the template for many other sitcoms.
I get that it started as a totally different style show, but even by the mid first season (The Keeper onward), it began to resemble what would come in the second year in tone.
And the third season quality didn't last all that long. Whatever the reason (more CBS than anything else since Irwin Allen ran his shows with an iron fist - Buck Houghton left after episode 6), LIS wasn't a good show for most of its run. Even if I did like it.
In some ways, but not others. It became more humorous and more centered on Dr. Smith, yes, but in a way that was still basically a family adventure series played straight. Season 2 attempted to embrace full-on camp to compete with the success of Batman (even though both shows were from 20th Century Fox), but did so poorly and superficially; it didn't have Batman's satirical edge, and thus was just nonsense for the sake of nonsense. Later season 1 and season 2 may have aimed to do some of the same things, but they did them in radically different ways with radically different quality.
I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the people (myself included) who love Laura Kinney also love Kate Bishop.
But I'm sure you already know that because there you go again, talking in absolutes.
I didn't like Star Trek until TNG and then went back and revisited tos and enjoyed them. I much preferred Lost in Space and Battlestar Galactica.
Only retroactively, once we see Agatha's perspective. There is only one blatantly not sitcom thing that happens before that, and its the "beekeeper" at the end of Episode 2 that Wanda attacks. Literally just starting at Episode 4 tells you all you need to know without sitting through badly done boomer nostalgia. I sat through all that and wish I'd known that Episode 4 is the real Episode 1 for the plot.
As for all the people defending the shows, you can like what you like. All I know is that my 60+ year old parents and 89 year old Grandmother didn't like a lot of those shows when they saw them at the time they were made, so the shows aren't as universally beloved by the generations that watched them live as some people here are trying to push. My Mom especially likes some really mediocre sitcoms (she could literally watch King of Queens or Everybody Loves Raymond on a loop all day) and even she can't stand stuff like The Brady Bunch or Leave it to Beaver.
So yeah, I feel totally justified in calling the first three episodes of Wandavision poorly done Boomer bait, parodying shows that don't even deserve to have existed and were garbage even when they originally aired. To be clear, from Episode 4 until the end Wandavision is great, a top 3 MCU show, its just got the worst first three episodes ever.
Still no.
I would. 100%. Not for nostalgia but characters I find interesting and comedy I find enjoyable.
But, sure, "no one" likes them.
Man, being called "old" twice in one week. Not my week.
For the record, I'm 40, and not a Boomer. So...
This.
Who with all the time in the world to discuss a million different topics on the Internet willingly dies on an ageist "Leave it to Beaver and The Dick Van Dyke Show unwatchability" hill? I mean, to each their own, but wow.
"That's a strange hill to die on, but at least he's dead."
I don’t know how anyone could so fatally misunderstand a show as you have.
From episode 1, she’s living in a fantasy world where her dead partner is still alive.
It’s supernatural, clearly, from the very start. It’s supernatural by nature regardless because it’s Wanda FFS.
And for the record, I recall watching the documentary and the attention paid to detail, even down to using the same kind of camera equipment and primitive 1950s techniques when it came to the special effects…
Badly done? It was brilliantly done.
This conversation is fucking supernatural.
Badly done? It was brilliantly done.
This conversation is fucking supernatural.
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We're also talking about a character, who, in the comics, married a synthezoid (sp), got pregnant, and had twins. Nothing weird or strange about that.
Also, the Dick Van Dyke episode about Alan Brady's troupe is probably one of the single funniest half hours of television.
Also, the Dick Van Dyke episode about Alan Brady's troupe is probably one of the single funniest half hours of television.
I have no idea what this means.
You seem to be forgetting the "stop it" sequence in episode 1.
The reason why conservatives like some female characters and not others is often based on the ideology and politics in a movie and show and also whether or not the movie or shows they are in also have a well rounded and strong male character as well. Ripley had Bishop and Hicks. Sarah Conner had Kyle Reese and Arnold. Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor and the list goes on.
People keep thinking it's about the women just being in the movies/shows that is upsetting them but it's actually about the male characters being or not being in the movie or show and their actual role in the story and also the political themes of a movie and show and how Overt they might be. Not to mention they have a harder time complaining about movies and shows that are truly good so they really go after low hanging fruit such as Ghostbusters 2016, the new Disney SW movies etc.