Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Christopher]

I never said physical media was dead, I said it was dying a rapid death.

And my point is that it's premature to assume its death is inevitable, because that's what people said about vinyl decades ago and they were proven wrong. The point is, don't make assumptions ahead of time. They often end up embarrassing in retrospect. There are as many forms of media whose imminent death has been predicted as there are forms of media. Print is dead, theater is dead, movies are dead, it's all been claimed. So I have good reason to be skeptical of any such prediction.

 

[Timby]

And my point is that it's premature to assume its death is inevitable, because that's what people said about vinyl decades ago and they were proven wrong. The point is, don't make assumptions ahead of time. They often end up embarrassing in retrospect. There are as many forms of media whose imminent death has been predicted as there are forms of media. Print is dead, theater is dead, movies are dead, it's all been claimed. So I have good reason to be skeptical of any such prediction.

So you battled something I didn't actually say and accused me of moving goalposts, and are now backtracking to say, "Well, actually, I was saying this."

 

[Christopher]

So you battled something I didn't actually say and accused me of moving goalposts, and are now backtracking to say, "Well, actually, I was saying this."

No, you just misunderstood what I meant the first time.

 

[JD]

And my point is that it's premature to assume its death is inevitable, because that's what people said about vinyl decades ago and they were proven wrong. The point is, don't make assumptions ahead of time. They often end up embarrassing in retrospect. There are as many forms of media whose imminent death has been predicted as there are forms of media. Print is dead, theater is dead, movies are dead, it's all been claimed. So I have good reason to be skeptical of any such prediction.

Vinyl might have made a comeback, but 8 track, VHS, and laser disc seem to be pretty much staying dead.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I’m frothing at the mouth for more Moon Knight! As a lover of Ancient Egypt that show is right up my alley!

 

[Jedman67]

And my point is that it's premature to assume its death is inevitable, because that's what people said about vinyl decades ago and they were proven wrong.

Vinyl is dead as a commercially viable product for home media consumption. Aside from the relatively tiny market of audiophiles and a few quirky artists, there's no one buying or selling vinyl.
It's a niche of a niche.

I believe Blu Ray will survive long term as will DVD's, in the face of VSOD the market is nowhere near as robust as 10 years ago, but BR has the advantage of, once you own it you own it and don't need to worry if your favorite streamer no longer licenses your favorite shows, or ads or whatever.
I do agree that every day run of the mill shows are less likely to get a BR or DVD run as "blockbuster" and tentpole shows will, but I don't think the market is disappearing as fast.
People have realized that streaming is a lot more fickle than it used to be which means more people will be buying physical media.

 

[Jedman67]

Uh... Mandalorian S1 & S2 and Loki S1 are on blu-ray. Moon Knight comes out this month.

Thanks! didn't realize it was already coming out.

 

[Timby]

Vinyl might have made a comeback, but 8 track, VHS, and laser disc seem to be pretty much staying dead.

Speaking of laserdisc, a friend of mine in Atlanta has been transcoding a bunch of his old LDs and archiving them on his NAS, because they have special features that have never been replicated on DVD or Blu-ray / 4K UHD.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I believe Blu Ray will survive long term as will DVD's, in the face of VSOD the market is nowhere near as robust as 10 years ago, but BR has the advantage of, once you own it you own it and don't need to worry if your favorite streamer no longer licenses your favorite shows, or ads or whatever.

My PS3 (Playstation) which is two generations behind the current just got a patch just to update the blu-ray player to be able to play newer discs. So it's encroaching a little bit even on the physical media out there. It would be possible to have a blu-ray movie and a player and they won't play without updating the license keys.

It will be interesting to see where this goes as we had into a future with less and less permanent media. Will there be any changes going forward to define and protect digital purchases?

 

[Starkers]

Vinyl is dead as a commercially viable product for home media consumption. Aside from the relatively tiny market of audiophiles and a few quirky artists, there's no one buying or selling vinyl.
It's a niche of a niche.

HMV shops in the UK stock a lot of vinyl and most new albums by big artists seem to come out on vinyl, here at least.

 

[Rich Watson]

You have to admire the balls on Feige. Reading a live-blog of his CinemaCon presentation he's still doing his usual routine acting like it's 2019 and last years of failures never happened.

Cap 4 is “a grounded political thriller” which was what they called "Secret Invasion" and we saw how well that went.

Calling the Thunderbolts movie Thunderbolts was apparently too sensible an idea so it's now officially Thunderbolts*

Fantastic Four will be shot 100% in IMAX format.

 

[Christopher]

Cap 4 is “a grounded political thriller” which was what they called "Secret Invasion" and we saw how well that went.

That doesn't follow. SI didn't fail because of its genre, but because of its execution. After all, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a relatively grounded political thriller, and it was a huge success.

 

[Anwar]

You have to admire the balls on Feige. Reading a live-blog of his CinemaCon presentation he's still doing his usual routine acting like it's 2019 and last years of failures never happened.

Cap 4 is “a grounded political thriller” which was what they called "Secret Invasion" and we saw how well that went.

Calling the Thunderbolts movie Thunderbolts was apparently too sensible an idea so it's now officially Thunderbolts*

Fantastic Four will be shot 100% in IMAX format.

I love how things are a tad lackluster and suddenly it's "Years of failures", I love how fickle you are.

Phase 4 was better than most of Phases 1 and 2.

 

[JD]

IGN has a description of the Deadpool & Wolverine footage that was shown at CinemaCon, and it sounds like this is very much a Deadpool movie.
They also have a description of the Captain America: Brave New World footage, which included a joke about Ross's "new look". Apparently shaving off your mustache makes you change from William Hurt to Harrison Ford.
Both sound pretty good to me.

 

[JD]

EW.com has a couple of new pictures and comments from Anthony Mackie from CinemaCon.
I'm pretty sure I liked Torres in The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, so I look forward to him playing a bigger role in Brace New World.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I really liked Torres so I'm glad he's filling in the Bucky-sized hole in the film.

 

[Mage]

Small spoiler from the Captain America footage from CinemaCon

Spoiler

It seems there are indeed no Avengers at this time, because in the footage Ross asks Sam to help rebuild the Avengers.

 

[Captaindemotion]

EW has a mildly spoilerish feature on CA:BNW
https://ew.com/captain-america-4-first-look-anthony-mackie-harrison-ford-brave-new-world-8629213?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Small spoiler from the Captain America footage from CinemaCon

Spoiler

It seems there are indeed no Avengers at this time, because in the footage Ross asks Sam to help rebuild the Avengers.

That's pretty rich considering the events of Civil War.

 

[Timby]

That doesn't follow. SI didn't fail because of its genre, but because of its execution. After all, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a relatively grounded political thriller, and it was a huge success.

Political thriller? Please. It was a story about a chemically boosted super soldier fighting a brainwashed uber-assassin with a cybernetic arm and ultimately saving the world from a bunch of flying aircraft carriers armed with artificial intelligence programmed to eliminate any and all potential threats to Hydra hegemony.

Just because Robert Redford was in it in no way makes The Winter Soldier a "political thriller."