That's a standard for courts not discussion and never has been.
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That's a standard for courts not discussion and never has been.
Thank you! Refreshing to hear someone say that instead of hungrily joining the feeding frenzy.
Yes, it is a standard for everyday decency. It's called giving people the benefit of the doubt. If you assume the best of someone and they turn out worse, they're the one at fault. But if you assume the worst and it isn't warranted, then you're the one who's in the wrong. That's why it's important not to rush to judgment, in every situation. Real morality is about governing our own behavior first.
I'm not sure I'd say Roiland got off given he was fired from (I think) every show he was working on.
Completely agree but a few years ago #believeallwoman would have had this guy fired soon, if not already (see, e.g., Depp, Johnny).
He got off legally and now it's claiming to have been fully exonerated and the charges false was my meaning.
here's an idea, how about we stop expecting actors to be morally pure paragons of virtue
That's a strawman. No one is saying that. There is a significant difference between "expecting actors to be morally pure paragons of virtue" and not supporting people credibly accused of physical, sexual, or verbal assault.
How credible this current situation is I don't know, I haven't read that much about it, but since your statement is made in general so is my reply.
I mean you're in the MCU topic... When Chadwick Boseman died there was plenty of outpouring and sympathy, but there was also questions about "Wonder what happens to Black Panther?"
I'd also say you can't definitively say someone was 'assaulted' yet. So really the only thing you can prove/speculate about factually is 'fall-out' from the accusations/arrest.
Time will tell how the narrative develops. Someone being physically injured still doesn't automatically mean the person who did it was guilty of assault. There are instances of defending yourself and causing wounds to someone else, or even injuring someone else who was attempting self-harm to themselves.
Sadly it's also possible the 'truth' is actually never known or proven because there are many instances of people (mainly women) who suffered physical abuse and are convinced to 'drop the charges' either by financial settlements, or worry about public trials, or just going back to their 'abuser' in terms of relationships.
Where there's smoke...
https://thedirect.com/article/avengers-5-actor-arrest-accused
I mean, I understand and agree with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect of this, but his behavior described as "a sociopath and an abuser" for years, has apparently been an open secret.
I try to keep an open mind in these cases, and usually wait for the next Domino to fall (or not) before forming an opinion. Well, the Domino's are falling.
I remember some years back that George Takei was accused of rape. Rather than another Domino falling, everyone around him who knew him said that this was the most ridiculous thing they had ever heard in their life. No other accusations were forthcoming and the accuser eventually admitted that he made up the story. I'm seeing the exact opposite in this instance.
https://thedirect.com/article/avengers-5-actor-arrest-accused
I mean, I understand and agree with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect of this, but his behavior described as "a sociopath and an abuser" for years, has apparently been an open secret.
I try to keep an open mind in these cases, and usually wait for the next Domino to fall (or not) before forming an opinion. Well, the Domino's are falling.
I remember some years back that George Takei was accused of rape. Rather than another Domino falling, everyone around him who knew him said that this was the most ridiculous thing they had ever heard in their life. No other accusations were forthcoming and the accuser eventually admitted that he made up the story. I'm seeing the exact opposite in this instance.
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And a few years before that everything would be done to bury the woman's side of the story so the actor can get back to his career.
I think we are in a place now where we can be confident that the case will be investigated rather than swept under the carpet.
That's a pretty powerful article there because multiple professionals are claiming similar behavior, and that that behavior has been know going back to his college days. A similar thing happened in Canada a few years back where a beloved radio personality/musician whose star was on the rise was suddenly dismissed from his day job. All it took was one victim to speak out and then suddenly many others appeared who had been afraid to speak out before.
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Weird point of comparison, but OK; given that there's thus far been no concern over the wellbeing of the victim in the discussion, it's not even a terribly relevant one.
The police reported that they admitted a woman to hospital with bruises around her throat. Unless they're lying, or those bruises were self inflicted, then yes, someone was assaulted.
Neither of those are impossible of course, but the balance of probability is usually towards the latter.
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Ezra Miller
They’ll probably go with another black actor. I don’t think Ezra could play a villain.
Terrence Howard.
I guess you haven't seen the Fantastic Beasts films?
He's just misunderstood there. Not on the same level as someone like Kang.
The swirling media ocean of recent history with violent and/or criminal behavior involving actors from franchises (i.e., Miller) might lead Disney to plan on dropping Majors, rather than appear that they are "supportive" of the expected efforts to "seek help / healing". He's not a fixture in the MCU, so from their bottom-line perspective, they can cut ties now.
..until Marvel tells him he will have to take a pay cut in the next movie, he refuses, then its boot-in-the-ass time all over again.