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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Turtletrekker said:
As far as I'm concerned, seasons one through five fit into the mcu with no problem whatsoever. Seasons six and seven take place on Earth 617, along with Cloak and Dagger and Runaways.
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I still think season 6 is reconcilable with a post-Snap world where people are just still in denial and trying not to talk about it. The focus of the season is narrow enough that there's nothing to rule it out. And season 7 is in the past anyway.

I see no continuity issue with C&D, and the only issue with Runaways (ignoring the alternate Tina Minoru in Dr. Strange, who isn't named on camera anyway) is that its third season contradicts Endgame's theory of time travel. But then, so do the X-Men movies, and apparently we're now supposed to consider them part of the same multiverse.
 
DigificWriter said:
Agents of SHIELD is not MCU Canon, no matter how fervently people try to claim otherwise.
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It had Phil Coulson, Nick Fury,Sif, Gideon Malick,Sitwell,Peggy Carter and Maria Hill in the show. Not to mention many references and even stories impacted by the events of the movies. It very much is a MCU show.
 
Jayson1 said:
It had Phil Coulson, Nick Fury,Sif, Gideon Malick,Sitwell,Peggy Carter and Maria Hill in the show. Not to mention many references and even stories impacted by the events of the movies. It very much is a MCU show.
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That's true of tie-ins in general; they always try to tell stories that could have happened in the continuity they're tying into, as far as their authors know at the time they're written. But they're only canonical if the canon references them in return. The only TV series that the MCU proper has referenced so far are Agent Carter (through Edwin Jarvis in Endgame) and Daredevil (through Echo, She-Hulk, Spider-Man: No Way Home, and Daredevil: Born Again), with other Netflix Marvel characters expected to be brought into season 2 of Born Again. That certainly suggests it's possible that Agents of SHIELD characters could be reintroduced into the MCU, but it hasn't happened yet.
 
They have also said in recent years they are considering how to use it. They were pretty clear, especially in the early seasons that they wanted people thinking of the show as a MCU show and not just something doing it's own thing.
 
Jayson1 said:
They have also said in recent years they are considering how to use it. They were pretty clear, especially in the early seasons that they wanted people thinking of the show as a MCU show and not just something doing it's own thing.
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Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD may have been loosely considered Canonical at one point, but that's changed in the years since they both went off the air.

You are correct that there has been a desire to find ways to reconcile th m with current Canon expressed publicly, but such desire does not actually constitute a change in their status until it does.
 
DigificWriter said:
Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD may have been loosely considered Canonical at one point, but that's changed in the years since they both went off the air.

You are correct that there has been a desire to find ways to reconcile th m with current Canon expressed publicly, but such desire does not actually constitute a change in their status until it does.
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It does seem inevitable though. The fact that they even openly talk about maybe doing it. shows how they have changed their views on the show. Not sure who they would bring back but Daisy seems most likely. Of course if the timeline is reset then Coluson can come back and he might not even have to still be a robot.
 
I think it needs to be pointed out that "squaring" Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD with the current Canon does not automatically mean making them part of the Sacred Timeline.

It could (and more than likely might, IMO) mean that they join the X-Men films, the pre -MCU Spider-Man films, the Venom films, the Tim Story Fantastic Four films, the Blade films and TV series, and the Daredevil and Elektra films as being acknowledged parts of the Multiverse.
 
DigificWriter said:
Agents of SHIELD is not MCU Canon, no matter how fervently people try to claim otherwise.
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DigificWriter said:
The people in charge of the MCU have said/acknowledged otherwise.
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DigificWriter said:
Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD may have been loosely considered Canonical at one point, but that's changed in the years since they both went off the air.

You are correct that there has been a desire to find ways to reconcile th m with current Canon expressed publicly, but such desire does not actually constitute a change in their status until it does.
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Links or quotes with a confirmable source please?
 
I know TPTB have said Agents of Shield is not canon, but I still think that is a mistake. How they have treated that show (And I watched that show in 2020 and became a fan) has been disrespectful for the most part. Maybe not not part of Canon, but it is part of my Canon, especially tying in Shield with the events of Winter Soldier. It has been such a missed opportunity that nothing has happened with the cast since the show went off. Chloe Bennett, for example, still wants to be a part of the MCU. Make it happen.
 
Wow, I'm surprised the Chole Bennet comments have generated more discussion than the Marvel Zombies trailer, you know, actual upcoming (and soon) content! :lol:
 
OK, so I decided to look for myself, and I found this Screen Rant article and an article from Looper that both reference the MCU timeline book, which doesn't include anything from AOS, but according to the Screen Rant article there is a note from Kevin Feige where he says that there are canonical movies and series that are not included in the book because they don't take place in the Sacred Timeline. So this doesn't totally rule out AoS being canon, it just means it doesn't take place on Earth 616.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Wow, I'm surprised the Chole Bennet comments have generated more discussion than the Marvel Zombies trailer, you know, actual upcoming (and soon) content! :lol:
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In fairness I don't like Zombies (I was dreading that episode of SNW) and I really want Bennet to return to the MCU because she was an awesome character and that cast deserves better.
 
JD said:
Links or quotes with a confirmable source please?
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SInce there's disagreement about what is communicated by Loki Season 1 Episode 1 vis a vis Coulson's death, I'll once again go to the following comment from Marvel Television head Brad Winderbaum:
Well, I’ll tell you this, and put it to you like this. It’s exciting for me to think about how to square those ABC shows with the canon”
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screenrant.com

Marvel TV Boss Addresses The Question Of Whether Agents of SHIELD And Agent Carter Are MCU Canon After Years Of Debate

Will Agents of SHIELD finally be canon?
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If Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD were Canon - as some people insist - Winderbaum's comment would be meaningless because there's no need to 'square' something with the Canon if said thing is already part of the Canon.

tomalak301 said:
it is part of my Canon
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That's not how Canon works.
 
2012 Loki snoops and learns about his own future, so Mobius' conversation with him isn't the only evidence presented in Loki that enforces the non-Canonical nature of AoS based on that series resurrecting Coulson.
 
tomalak301 said:
In fairness I don't like Zombies (I was dreading that episode of SNW) and I really want Bennet to return to the MCU because she was an awesome character and that cast deserves better.
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Even if AoS is in a different "timeline," there's no reason the same actors couldn't play "Sacred Timeline" doppelgangers of their characters, like J.K. Simmons has already done as MCU J. Jonah Jameson.
 
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