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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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It seems like no one wanted to see anything that didn't have a white male lead, unless the character was a male with the word "black" in his name.
maybe the quality of the stories and productions played a role? Lots of movies with white dudes suck, too. (Aquaman 2, The Flash, etc.) Putting a woman or person of color in it doesn't automatically make it good, nor does putting a a white guy in it. I think there are correlations being made that have nothing to do with anything.
Some of them were not as good as others, but the same is true for a lot of the white guy movies. And his selection was not based on how well the movies did at the box office.
The reason why so many of the movies have failed are not about race or gender. Quantumania failed because it took the Ant Man character and put him in a movie that does not lend itself to the things people want to see in a Ant-Man movie. People want to see Ant Man being small or big in a real life relatable setting and for sure don't want Ant-Man to be anything more than escapism. Bad place to setup your new big bad. The Marvels failed because people don't like the Ms Marvel character and don't know the other two.
Eternals failed because nobody knows the characters and unlike Guardians you don't have someone like Gunn making the movie and the movie gave off the vibe it was going to be slow,pretentious and new agey where the Guardians move was basically selling itself as Buck Rogers or Farscape and it was going to be wild and crazy and fun. Love and Thunder came out when Marvel fatigue was just starting to kick in. Plus bad word of mouth. Finally Brave New World was a Captain America movie without the Captain America people love. Instead it starred his sidekick.
Disney has made some bad choices not just in execution but also the things they have selected to make. Not to mention putting to much stuff out their to fill out it's streaming service. They have nobody really to blame but themselves. Now it's time to see if they can fix the problem or not. Odds are it will become more hit and miss and not as consistently successful as it used to be. But now and then they will still have a big hit. The next Spiderman movie for sure will be successful. As will the Avengers movies if for no other reason than people want to go see Robert Downey Jr again in a MCU movie. Black Panther 3 will be huge depending on who they cast as the new Black Panther.
Eternals failed because nobody knows the characters and unlike Guardians you don't have someone like Gunn making the movie and the movie gave off the vibe it was going to be slow,pretentious and new agey where the Guardians move was basically selling itself as Buck Rogers or Farscape and it was going to be wild and crazy and fun. Love and Thunder came out when Marvel fatigue was just starting to kick in. Plus bad word of mouth. Finally Brave New World was a Captain America movie without the Captain America people love. Instead it starred his sidekick.
Disney has made some bad choices not just in execution but also the things they have selected to make. Not to mention putting to much stuff out their to fill out it's streaming service. They have nobody really to blame but themselves. Now it's time to see if they can fix the problem or not. Odds are it will become more hit and miss and not as consistently successful as it used to be. But now and then they will still have a big hit. The next Spiderman movie for sure will be successful. As will the Avengers movies if for no other reason than people want to go see Robert Downey Jr again in a MCU movie. Black Panther 3 will be huge depending on who they cast as the new Black Panther.
I don't disagree with what you've said. People didn't stop going to see Marvel movies until after Quantumania. And even then there was GOTGIII which was a hit. The drop really started with The Marvels, but I don't think it had anything to do with quality--people just wanted something else.
My original point was that 1701 pointed to movies that had non-white male protagonists as being the reason people stopped going to Marvel movies and I don't think that's the case.
My original point was that 1701 pointed to movies that had non-white male protagonists as being the reason people stopped going to Marvel movies and I don't think that's the case.
I don't think it is either. But I do understand why he probably thinks that. Deadpool,Spiderman 4,Gaurdians 3, which star white guys all were huge hits. I do wonder how the modern climate has changed the old rules on these things. Use to be even racist would enjoy movies not starring white guys. It's harder to figure out what motivates anyone anymore these days. Not to mention young people are just gravitating more and more to the internet over movies and tv shows.
I think the big issue though is we lost the actor who played Black Panther, they waited to long to do the Black Widow movie and they can't seem to make a Blade movie which I would think would be easy as heck to make. Also as much as I love Wandavsion a Wanda movie would have been huge as well. I also think the delay on X-Men has to also factored into this. It seems to be all Marvels most iconic and beloved characters who are not just white guys are associated with the X-Men brand.
I think the big issue though is we lost the actor who played Black Panther, they waited to long to do the Black Widow movie and they can't seem to make a Blade movie which I would think would be easy as heck to make. Also as much as I love Wandavsion a Wanda movie would have been huge as well. I also think the delay on X-Men has to also factored into this. It seems to be all Marvels most iconic and beloved characters who are not just white guys are associated with the X-Men brand.
I'm trying to figure out why you said both these things that seem to directly contradict each other. The former statement is obviously bogus (for one thing, it overlooks that Captain Marvel did quite well), and the latter statement appears to be debunking the former (as well it should).
Captain Marvel was a success because of timing and the MCU was hot then and could do no wrong. The Marvels is probably a more accurate reflection on what people think of the character. It doesn't help that movie was not very good. I enjoyed all the actions scenes in the movie but the rest was just not that interesting and frankly they should have had more fun with it's 90's setting.