As long as Mikey didn't violate his principles by using even one of those pillaged industrial replicators to produce a batch of tomato sauce...
...what's the problem?
Marqi did no wrong change my mind
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As long as Mikey didn't violate his principles by using even one of those pillaged industrial replicators to produce a batch of tomato sauce...
...what's the problem?
Those colonists chose to live on planets that were 'hotly contested' (Admiral Necheyev's words, which were accurate) decades ago. With Federation territory being as large as it is, and being established that there were a LOT of other worlds to pick for colonization, the colonists knew that something like this could happen later.
They were given options to go elsewhere that was not under dispute, but they chose to stay.
When things didn't go the way they wanted, they blamed the Federation for THEIR OWN DECISIONS. That's called not taking responsibility for your decisions and actions. It's also a sense of entitlement, which goes hand in hand with not taking any responsibility.
While I agree the treaty was bad because of what happened later, the Federation is also not one to 'come down hard on Cardassia' and overthrow a government. Doing that makes them exactly like Cardassia... worse because they know better. You know the Cardassians basically took over the Bajoran government, right? Was that right of them? The Federation has no place or right to take over another power's government, whatever the reason.
Had the Federation done what you said, the population of Cardassia would look on the Federation even worse because they forced their ideals onto their government. The resentment would be even deeper and Cardassia would have become even more hard lined against the Federation, and instead of just one narcissist speaking for Cardassia and taking control of the government and allying with the Dominion, you'd have possibly the entire Cardassian government ready to get in bed with the Dominion, and the resistance we saw at the end would not have happened and very likely would have cost the Federation and its allies the war.
The people of Cardassia saw how bad their system was on their own, and were already working toward taking out the military's influence. You can show people stuff but they have to come to these conclusions on their own. You know the phrase about leading a horse to water... applies here, too.
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MAQUIS.
The other answer was a war.
Killing thousands if not millions.
This is called diplomacy. Running roughshod over the Cardassians is just as tyrannical even in the name of freedom.
MAQUIS.
You think that he’d get that after 4+ pages, but apparently not…
I'm sure my dyslexic brain can think of more ways to butcher the word
English are hard.
Maybe I can come up with some breakfast cereals based on the Maquis...
Will its mascot be an anthropomorphized tomato?
I'm considering that. At the very least, since Eddington joined the Maquis, 'Mikey likes it' can be used...
I'm sure my dyslexic brain can think of more ways to butcher the word
Back on page 1 you said you made a mistake ‘cause you were drunk… But it’s dyslexia now?
Because their home was now owned by Cardassians. It doesn't matter whether that was right or wrong, it was the reality of things.
So they had three options 1) living under the Cardassians, which is a horrible fate and it's clear from the start that the Cardassians are going to look for a way to "remove" them 2) Fight a pointless guerilla war that inevitably got them killed 3)relocate to one of the other, countless, readily available life bearing planets that aren't in Cardassian space and where they can have all the tomatoes they want.
They dug their own grave.
The larger question is is someone's home worth a war?
One can be drunk AND dyslexic.
Saturday I was both drunk and dyslexic. Now I'm just dyslexic.
There have been many more instances of territorial exchanges that occurred, especially those that occurred without the consent of the people who lived there (at least the people in the DMZ were given choices). The Concert of Europe produced widespread territorial changes without the consent of the subjects, with varying degrees of success. While some peoples had a worst fate, the result for them was not necessarily fascism.
Clearly to them it was.
I would probably fight for my home if the UK gave where I live to Russia just to appease. My target would be Russia but I would not hesitate to attack the UK that stabbed me in the back.
For the maquis it was.
They didn't want to leave their homes and they didn't want to live under fascist rule. Only result was war.
But that's the thing-it wasn't appeasement. It was a part of diplomacy and in a give and take. The Maquis were given a choice and they chose to remain under that rule, then fought against it when they did not like their consequences of their choices.
The use of the term "appeasement" is not accurate because it implies that the Federation just turned a blind eye to these actions. Instead, it was a diplomatic overture that was the result of stopping a war that would kill thousands.
So, to quote Star Trek, why are the needs of these few greater than the needs of the many in stopping a war?
ETA: Nevermind the several Starfleet officers who were not colonists who decided to engage in warfare, and threaten the peace with the Cardassians and looking at full scale war. Those were not their homes.
But it didn't stop a war.
It just delayed it until cardassia was in a position to better strike at the Federation.
What would have just been a regional war were a 1st rate Federation stomps on a 2rd rate cardassia instead turned in to a galactic war.
Appeasement or treaties and general dealing with Facists always works out with the Facist just viewing it as weakness and a way to bide time to strike.
Yes, it did, until the Dominion.
That's just another form of tyranny.
Then why engage in diplomacy at all? Why bother with ambassadors, and negotiations and speeches. Why not just wade in, slaughter millions and say "Stop being fascist or else!"
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