He's the boy who would be king - I wouldn't see him as an everyman character or archetype.
Luke Skywalker's Character Problem in Star Wars The Last Jedi
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He's the boy who would be king - I wouldn't see him as an everyman character or archetype.
He starts out as the everyman archetype. It certainly evolves and changes over the course of the story but I still see that everyman at the base.
I think we can agree at least to some degree that while sure, the new trilogy is the most current and the original trilogy are "old" films.. that as far as Star Wars go, that original trilogy still has got the most iconic imagery.. the names and characters are known by most people I mean.. Darth Vader C-3P0, R2, whatever, and if that is not the case that maybe says more to show how far the franchise has fallen overall than how good and memorable the new trilogy is. Yet, their new theme park doesn't celebrate the most iconic aspects of Star Wars. It's like having Potter Land without Hogwarts.
This park ain't Star Wars. It only celebrates the hackneyed "story " the conglomerate came up with around a table. It doesn't celebrate all of the innovations in production that made Star Wars possible. It doesn't celebrate the iconic characters, or the incredible themes of heroism that inspired generations.
And, it doesn't need to. It's an amusement park not a museum or a testament to generations. The fact that Disney is focusing on their current generation of products makes sense from a business standpoint. Agree or disagree it makes sense. As things change the park will change. That's the nature.
I don't go to amusement parts for inspiration. That, to me, is absurdity, and giving a pop culture icon far more power than perhaps is warranted.
I agree that Star Wars is iconic and the OT will never be matched. So, I refuse to measure the ST against the OT. I simply take it as it is and engage with it as it comes.
Makes sense from a business perspective except.. except.. people that work in California where the cost of living is very high is having their hours cut. Disney executives have cut corners on what the park is doing. The nightly show i barely used, where their new character is running away from stormtroopers. Disney is offering package deals desperate to boost attendance. The worst business decision ever made was setting the park as some kind of thing in the current canon, because the current story is just not compelling enough. If they had created a Marvel park with interaction where the visitors were able to look for the stones and tell the various Avengers where they were, THAT might go over like gangbusters, but that same passion doesn't follow Rey and Kylo Ren right now. It was a bad business decision made at the height of hubris when the half-baked mystery box story made 2B. I guarantee you that if the park actually celebrated SW than it would have been a hit. ALSO i seem to know that many attractions at Disney parks past and present celebrate technical achievements and legacies (the old Hitchcock ride, the ride about progress, etc) so you are wrong about that) . My point is that if they put actual Star Wars in their park instead of Dollar General Star Wars, the park would have been HUGE
He is introduced as a boy with mysterious origins and shortly afterwards is trained in magical powers and at the end of his first appearance has rescued a princess and has made an impossible shot on his first mission (with no training) as a combat pilot.
It is easy to argue that Han is an everyman as he just wants to get paid to pay his debts and is a working stiff.
Yup. Luke is the Lost Scion archetype, from a secret union. He is Arthur.
And you probably do have a point there. But, that's not the decision they made so I work with what is present, not with what I wish was occurring. "Worst business decision" will be born out in time, as even Bob Iger notes that this is a long term game, not a short term investment.
As for the new story not being compelling, I obviously will agree to disagree on this point.
you might think it's compelling, but my point is that it's not compelling enough and that much is not an opinion. There is no popular buzz around it.. it's not like the buzz surrounding the infinity stones, which is the kind of buzz around the cURRENT story you need to get people into a park that is supposed to revolve around the current story
Well, it might be just rumor, but "ong term game" won't matter, because if the numbers don't improve by February, then Disney will have to consider doing something drastic (like rebranding the park)
My 8 year old daughter finds the OT boring (as much as I have tried to hook her on it) but loves Rey. It might not be as timeless as you think.
sure.. of course. But I think that I can find 12 examples of kids that either love the original films for everyone with opinions like that.. or maybe I can find even more kids that don't care about SW at all now no matter the era.
Let me guess? YouTube rumor?
And that's not my concern. I don't want Star Wars to be Marvel as I am rather sick of Marvel and the MCU and burned out on them after the first Avengers. Sorry, that's not the model for SW I personally want.
My daughters both love Rey and BB-8 and are engaged with that part of the story. My friend's kids are all costuming as Poe and Porgs and Rey. I see engagement at a very childlike level, while I get to appreciate it from a story level.
Engagement is going to be different for different people and that's OK. Disney is playing a longer term game than our short term knee-jerk reactions would indicate. Will be successful? I don't know. I'm and neither prophet nor seer. What I do know is Disney will do whatever they want. I'm engaged with the story as it stands. I cannot change the macro view and so will not worry about it.
sure.. but also quite a lot of trades. I'm not saying that I believe all of this.,. but I guarantee you this discussion would not be happening if the park went down like gangbusters.. what is demonstrable is that Disney stocks went down after the park opened. Put that in your pipe and smoke it
Don't own Disney stock. Don't care. Read Bob Iger's plan. They seem to be handling it fine.
No stress.
If you wouldn’t mind sending the link to a trade article THAT SUGGESTS THE PARK WILL REBRAND BY FEBRUARY IF SALES DON’T TURN AROUND, I’d appreciate it. Because I did a cursory Google search, all I could find was an article from CosmicBookNews. Not exactly the most reputable source. And certainly not a trade source.
Disney has a long game here. Walt Disney World has their Galaxy’s Edge attraction opening next week. They would likely be rethinking this and delaying the open if they were that concerned.
ETA: I have not viewed the video because the two stars grate on my nerves but there is a video of Gary from Nerdrotic and Jeremey from Geeks + Gamers that show the two of them at Galaxy’s Edge. Even though I’m sure they whined through the whole video, I find it interesting that they would promote the park and pay money to get in. I don’t know why someone who hates what Disney is doing so much would choose to spend money to go to L.A., and the ticket price to get into the park. Just to see something they hate so much.
Bigger question is why do I care? No, seriously, why? Do individuals need proof that Disney Star Wars isn't doing as well as OT? Fine, it's not. I wouldn't expect it to. Sorry to disappoint.
I have no financial investment in seeing SW succeed or fail. The films that I grew up with I own several copies of, the books I enjoy I own, etc. If Disney Star Wars fails to generate money then that's on Disney. And my books will continue, my toys (from Kenner all the way through Hasbro and Lego) will continue, etc.
Nothing is being taken away from the OT. No one can really replace it's impact upon pop culture and its foolishness to try.
they don't hate disney.. they hate disney Star Wars . i'm not a huge fan of those guys but i think they make a few good points
let's flip the script.. we all know Disney has a bunch of influencers out there making everything sound positive.. they are one of the most powerful companies in the world.. So to say that is not the case is being just as naive as you might call me .. form the other side
