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Luke Cage season 2

Skipper said:
Yes, something like that. Still, it's incredible simple to obtain superpowers in the MCU. You can have them just using fish oil pills.
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Pretty sure it was the terrigen contamination, not the fish oil itself that was doing the super-power imbuing...that and the person being exposed just so happening to be one of the tiny percentage of the population with latent Inhuman DNA.

Mr. Adventure said:
I think the idea is that the power is within Bushmaster but he needs the nightshade to access it. Perhaps his near death experience as a youth caused them to become linked together? Wasn't there a vaccine involved?
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On top of that, the effects of the substance seemed to have diminishing returns and repeated use would ultimately be fatal. So yeah, hardly a simple way to get super-powers.
 
^ Correct. First you had to be in that incredibly small minority that had Inhuman genes, and then you had to be lucky (?) enough to just happen to consume a terrigen contaminated fish product.
 
Turtletrekker said:
^ Correct. First you had to be in that incredibly small minority that had Inhuman genes, and then you had to be lucky (?) enough to just happen to consume a terrigen contaminated fish product.
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IIRC, the terragen was already irreparably in the foodchain and the fish oil was just a more immediate way of being contaminated. I think there was some graphic or simulation that Coulson viewed early in season 3 that showed the inevitable progression and propagation of global terragen contamination, which projected it reaching 100% in a little under 18 months.

So logically, by mid-season 4 everyone that could be infected almost certainly has been, meaning that the number of new Inhumans should have plateaued and that the fish oil pills would cease to matter. I don't think they ever went anywhere with it though, possibly since it would throw up some pretty nasty consequences once you think it through. Not the least of which being infants going through terragenesis (for the sake of the mothers', one hopes the placenta can filter out terragen otherwise things could get potentially lethal for some!)

That said, unless I'm forgetting something it was never mentioned how Robin was turned but it seemed to happen *after* her father died, so we can just assume the terragen was omnipresent in the ecosystem by that time.
 
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Reverend said:
Pretty sure it was the terrigen contamination, not the fish oil itself that was doing the super-power imbuing...that and the person being exposed just so happening to be one of the tiny percentage of the population with latent Inhuman DNA.
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With the Oil Pills I was half-joking ;). My point is that is relatively simple acquiring super-powers in the MCU. There is centipede. Extremis. The procedures they used on Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. The potion used by Black Panther. Whatever they did on QuickSilver and Scarlet Witch. And I'm sure there are a lot of other methods I don't remember. So it's a little surprising there aren't tons of superpowered people running around. The RL motivations are clear, but I think they didn't really explained why in-universe.
 
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Skipper said:
With the Oil Pills I was half-joking ;). My point is that is relatively simple acquiring super-powers in the MCU. There is centipede. Extremis. The procedures they used on Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. The potion used by Black Panther. Whatever they did on QuickSilver and Scarlet Witch. And I'm sure there are a lot of other methods I don't remember. So it's a little surprising there aren't tons of superpowered people running around. The RL motivations are clear, but I think they didn't really explained why in-universe.
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I'd hardly call any of those "simple". What was done to both Jessica & Luke were highly experimental and potentially lethal procedures carried out by fringe scientists operating outside the law (not to mention medical ethics.)
Centipede was a cybernetic device developed over the course of decades made from salvaged Chitauri tech, a cocktail of other serums and procedures including Kree blood and extremis...which itself was a highly unstable gene editing technique that took a genius like Stark just to stabilise in it's raw form...which seems to utterly nullify the effects, making it all rather pointless. Either way, they both took years and potentially billions of dollars to develop and implement.
And of course the Maximoff twins were imbued with their abilities by the Mind Stone, one of only six such objects *in the entire universe*.

But sure, anyone can get superpowers in the MCU... ;)
 
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Well, there are always going to be a variety of ways because there are so many characters, but most of the things that have been introduced also have obvious built in issues. Centipede and Extremis are failures. The QS/SW procedure killed everyone else who went through it. Jessica's procedure turned a normal woman into a serial killer. Luke's experiment was never finished and the scientists had no opportunity to study their results. Black Panther's potion is strictly controlled by the Wakandans.
 
Yes, but every procedure shows that acquiring superpowers is absolutely feasible. In a lot of different ways. And really, did some initial failure ever stop scientific research IRL? There is a lot of people ready to ruin their life with steroids. Why should Extremis' side effects stop them?
 
Skipper said:
Yes, but every procedure shows that acquiring superpowers is absolutely feasible. In a lot of different ways. And really, did some initial failure ever stop scientific research IRL? There is a lot of people ready to ruin their life with steroids. Why should Extremis' side effects stop them?
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Because they don't have access to any of these treatments. Iron Man destroyed AIM and their extremis files. The mind stone is not available for experimentation. The Doctor that treated Jessica wasn't sharing his treatment after what happened to her mother. Luke's prison company was scared sh1tless when their experiment totally trashed their lab, punched a hole in the wall and walked out (probably also lost a lot of data).

In general, most sources of powers have been limited in scope, not just in number of people affected, but also number of people who know how they work. Those people tend to end up dead before being able to achieve large scale effects and their experimental data is either lost or archived in the hands of actually trustworthy people.

There have absolutely been attempts to reconstruct superhero experiments. Hulk is the result of an attempt to recreate Captain America. Abomination is the result of an attempt to recreate Hulk. Vanko built his own Arc reactor suit (as did Stane before him) and cross recreated the Ant-man technology. Vulture built a criminal empire out of Chitauri tech. And Centipede and Extremis weren't dreamed up for sh1ts and giggles, either. There have certainly been many other attempts we know nothing about because they are complete and total failures.

At the end of the day, this stuff is hard, it's unreliable and it's ungodly expensive. It's going to take time for it to truly trickle down to the meatheads who'd do anything for power (in large enough numbers for them to actually survive and become a noticeable factor in the world).
 
If the rumors about Jessica Jones season 3 pan out, and they useuse Power Broker, then there will be someone out there willing to give powers to people for an incredibly high price with no guarantee that you'll live or not be incredibly mutated by the process.
 
Season 2 was great, and it didn't ignore Defenders happened like JJ2 did.

I'm looking forward to more. I'd go for a series staring Misty.

Power Man and Iron Fist was one of my favorite parts, but there was a lot them. I really liked the crossover characters visits, even if they were short. I guess Foggy is still Luke's lawyer. I hope Iron Fist 2 has a lot of Cage in it.
 
Finally got around to watching this season. I really liked it. Not perfect, but I think I liked it more than season 1 overall. Probably in the top half of Marvel Netflix seasons.

I got a kick out of the limited cameos. So many people were just there for one episode only or something like that. Bobby Fish was like "well, it's time for me to leave now".

Bushmaster was a pretty good foil for Luke. Interesting story. In fact I'd say a lot of characters on this show had an interesting character arc. Shades. Mariah. Probably even Luke with that bit at the end.

Really relieved that Mariah finally got what was coming to her. I was afraid that they'd let her off the hook. As soon as her daughter was mixing that thing up I was really hoping it was for her mom. That said, when she was singing on Cornell's keyboard, I think there was something along the lines of "all things must come to an end", and I thought she meant that she had poisoned herself too, to end the Stokes family line. So I was a bit surprised when they showed her wiping the lipstick off.

Luke's power set lends itself to some pretty repetitive fight scenes, though I have to admit, I think I loved it every single time he just tapped somebody on the head to knock them out. That just amused me every time he did it, go figure. The status quo change at the very end may lend itself to mixing things up a bit on this show. Which probably couldn't hurt. Though that change also makes it look like we're going to have to get a 3rd season of Luke Cage solo before a Heroes For Hire teamup show, which is unfortunate.

It's funny, after the massacre at the Jamaican restaurant, when that one guy was looking for his wife, I noticed that when they showed her, the actress was breathing very slightly, and I was a little disappointed that they didn't do a better job of filming the scene, to actually make her look dead. Then it turned out that she was the lone survivor. I guess I read that scene all wrong.

Speaking of scenes, I thought the scene where Mariah finally told Tilda the full truth about her parentage was amazing. Great stuff.


Final verdict: a definite thumbs up.
I've been looking forward to a Luke/Danny teamup show, but if Luke Cage season 3 is as good as season 2, I'll be happy to wait a bit longer.
 
I didn't really care for season 2 that much. What I liked about season 1 was how heroic Luke was, how he was basically the Superman of the MCU, this really decent guy trying to do right and inspiring his community. I liked that in itself, and I liked the contrast it made with the darker, more troubled Matt Murdock and Jessica Jones. Now he's suddenly filled with anger out of the blue, and the story is basically about tearing down everything he was in season 1. It felt like the story was just going dark and cynical because that's obligatory for Marvel Netflix.
 
According to the CBR article it was due to the dreaded "creative differences", but that seems a bit odd to me, because I would think if that was all they would have just brought in a new showrunner or whoever, rather than canceling the whole thing.
 
Yeah, especially since they've already done that for Daredevil and Iron Fist. Jessica Jones is also changing showrunners but not because of creative differences.

That's why I'm inclined to believe this happened because of the upcoming Disney streaming service.
 
The timing there is a bit suspect. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Jessica Jones and Daredevil, if they end up cancelled too, then something is definitely going on there.
 
I am really disappointed to hear about this, I haven't watched Season 2 yet, but Season 1 was great.
 
Evil Headhunter said:
I definitely didn't see that coming.
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I'm not surprised. Not only does it make sense for Disney to want to phase out its Netflix partnership in favor of purely Marvel-branded content, it seemed to me that the second seasons of IF, JJ and LC didn't make much of a blip even on pop-culture-heavy sites as The AV Club and io9. Sure, there were episode reviews, but after the pop culture non-event that was The Defenders, and with the general novelty of the shows wearing off, with little sense of forward momentum and the obvious constraints of being ostensibly part of the MCU with none of the crossover benefits, I don't see much point in keeping this whole thing going. It may be that, to paraphrase Luke,

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As a Netflix subscriber myself, I'd certainly prefer more original and better programming.
 
This is probably due to Disney's own Streaming service and Netflix deciding to be a tad spiteful.
 
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