Lucifer Season 5 - Beware of Spoilers!

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  1. Aragorn

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    It's back.
     
  2. JD

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    Watched the first episode, which was a pretty good introduction to Dad. It featured what had to be one of the most awkward family dinners since Dad created the universe.
     
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  3. Tuskin38

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    That was an interesting season finale.
     
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  4. kirk55555

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    I completely forgot there was an upcoming season (or second part of one, I guess). I really enjoyed the show when it was on regular TV, but being on Netflix really ruined it (I can't even bring myself to finish the first Netflix season, because of how fucking terrible Eve is). I did want to see Lucifer finally interact with his Dad, but I got spoiled on the end of the season, so I'm just officially dropping the show. I think it would probably have stayed a good show if it was on TV, but going to Netflix really messed up what made the show entertaining in the first place, at least in my opinion.
     
  5. Skipper

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    Well, I'm just watching the musical episode for the second time in a row :biggrin:
     
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    Just watching that for the first time and it's a hoot:)
     
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  7. Serial thread killer

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    I've just finished the series.
    I hope they don't leave Dan in hell
     
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    :wah:
     
  9. Skipper

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    Quick question: so, according to the series' mythology, a sociopath who can't feel any guilt goes to the paradise..?
     
  10. Snaploud

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    Unclear. The whole "guilt leads to hell" idea never really made much sense. Good people tend to feel more guilt than bad people, in my experience, and levels of guilt are often completely independent of action. Some people feel guilty about every little thing, but the guilt is the result of mental illness and abuse rather than objectively bad behavior.

    Of course, the show really seems to be leaning heavily into this idea of self-actualization determining outcomes. That would seem to indicate that hell is not so much punishment than a reaction to that self-actualization. Of course, that begs the question why nobody (Lucifer included) has noticed people being in hell for clearly nonsensical guilt and tried to help those people. There have to be a few extreme cases that would have gotten noticed.
     
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  11. Gov Kodos

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    I assume Azrael escorts them where they're supposed to go but the show hasn't delved into those questions but I assume they will be to some extent next season over what happened to Dan, especially after Lucifer met his pal up there in heaven.
     
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  12. Skipper

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    From a narrative point of view, I can understand the conundrum for the authors. Because the alternative would have to explain exactly which actions make you deserve hell, which ones heaven and who exactly keeps the count. And this could open another can of worms, as The Good Place perfectly illustrates.

    One can assumes that when you die in the Lucifer universe, you acquire some sort of super clarity that make you realize the bad things you did where you was alive.

    Because, really, if you took the guilty thing at the face value, the Hell would be full of gays who felt guilty for their "perversion".
     
  13. Skipper

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    The question remains: how is it decided where they are supposed to go?
     
  14. Gov Kodos

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    I haven't the faintest idea and since it's TV and not a theology course I can't say it matters. I don't expect the writers put a great deal of thought into the guilt thing just that hell is a thing of one's own making. Hardly an original idea.
     
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  15. Serial thread killer

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    This really bugs me about the show.
    It means most of the people who they have caught for murder will just end up going to heaven, while somebody else could feel guilty because their friend died after doing them a favour could go to hell.
     
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  16. Skipper

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    Yep. According to even the most severe interpretation of Christian doctrine Cloe didn't deserve the hell for the death of Dan, still it was a possibility until the very end.
     
  17. FPAlpha

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    As Lucifer said - Don't overthink it. ;)

    Strong second part of the season with some outstanding moments. Haysbert as God was awesome as was the musical episode ( with a killer Haysbert/Ellis duet).

    It's good that Lucifer finally got over his issues and now that he's God it begs the question where to go from here for season 6?

    As to the Hell/Guilty issue that cropped up i choose to believe there are the real sinners, the bottom of the bottom who basically have no choice but to be sent to hell. Then there are people like Dan and that Thief who helped Lucifer in Heaven, conveniently explaining the most likely way Dan gets to be in Heaven. I figure this will be a plot point for season 6, also likely it is a plot point at all when they learnedy're getting another season - i refuse to believe they'd otherwise kill off a character.
     
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  18. Aragorn

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    They killed him off thinking it was the second-to-last episode of the series. So maybe instead of going to heaven they sent Dan to hell because they got another season.
     
  19. JD

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    Finished up the second half of the season this morning and I loved it.
    Dennis Haysbert was awesome as Dad. I've been a big fan of his since 24 and The Unit, and I was really looking forward to him being on it, and he did not disappoint.
    The musical episode was an absolute blast, one of my favorite non-musical show musical episodes since Scrubs and Buffy.
    Dan's death was a huge shock, I did not hear any spoilers and so I had no idea it was coming. I will confess to starting to get a little choked up during the scene where they told Trixie, especially when she was begging Lucifer to tell her it wasn't true.
    I did find it a little ironic that the guy who killed him was Supernatural's God.
    The last episode was awesome, loved the Lucifer vs Micheal fight, and the ending was definitely another surprise. I'm very curious to see where they're going to go with things next season.
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    I hope Ella never finds out the truth. I think it would just break her more then it did the others.