Lt. Kim

[Stoo]

Harry could have been given a promotion just out of recognition of several years of competent service in an important bridge position. We're not talking anything senior here, just lieutenant jg, I think he was ready for that! Practically speaking it doesn't mean much more than a pat on the back and a "well done" but hey, he still deserves it and maybe it would give him a confidence boost.

It would also mean he can't get bossed around by B'ellana or Tom, not that I ever recall them giving him orders anyway.

As for miles, he's apparently the only NCO in starfleet so it's kind of hard to figure out how he fits in.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Harry could have been given a promotion just out of recognition of several years of competent service in an important bridge position. We're not talking anything senior here, just lieutenant jg, I think he was ready for that! Practically speaking it doesn't mean much more than a pat on the back and a "well done" but hey, he still deserves it and maybe it would give him a confidence boost.

He should get a shiny ribbon that says "Participant".

 

[Marten]

Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.

The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.

Wouldn't he have to graduate the academy to become an officer?

 

[Anwar]

I'm sure the Writers would've contrived some scenario wherein he gets a Field Commission like General Martok did.

Again, why does no one complain about O'Brien they way they do about Kim?

And why does no one complain about the other VOY crew? No one is upset that Chakotay was a Commander throughout the series, or Paris never went beyond Lt or anything.

 

[R. Star]

Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.

The difference is O'brien could've been an officer if he had wanted and probably would've advanced. He was happy being enlisted. Kim... couldn't advance even though he did want to.

Wouldn't he have to graduate the academy to become an officer?

No. Every military in the world allows for experienced NCOs to become officers and TNG supported this concept with field commissions.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.

They were made of steel.

He had moobs of steel.

 

[Stoo]

Again, why does no one complain about O'Brien they way they do about Kim?

And why does no one complain about the other VOY crew? No one is upset that Chakotay was a Commander throughout the series, or Paris never went beyond Lt or anything.

Paris got busted down and then had to work just to reclaim his original rank. re: chakotay, Janeway probably doesn't even have the authority to raise someone to her own rank.

Kim stands out the most because he's the most junior guy, despite having his own important bridge role. The higher someone is, the longer you'd expect between promotions anyway.

Obrien was already quite high up the NCO roster. The question here is more what roles go to officers and what to NCOs, in starfleet. It's something hard to get a fix on cos writers tended to forget NCOs even existed, and have loads of junior officers floating around.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Paris got Busted twice.

He was a convict on work release with no rank when the story started.

Innocent until proven guilty, the Maquis UFP Citizens with full voting rights.

Actually?

If there are constitutional guarantees for a speedy trial, and double jeopardy applies, the Federation forfeits and can't relevy the terrorism charges.

The Maquis are free!

 

[Wadjda]

The other difference is O'Brien had testicles.

And knows how to use the stick attached to those.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If that was true he wouldn't keep accidentally making babies.

 

[stj]

From the moment he first stepped on board Voyager, Harry was a Senior Staff Officer, a trusted Senior Bridge Officer, and the Head of Department for the Operations Division, AS AN ENSIGN.

Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.

Harry didn't need a higher physical rank because he was already in a position of authority, and it was a mistake to make a joke out of his lowly physical rank because it cheapened his character and role on the ship.

Maybe you should write a letter to Wang about this.

In the pilot, Kim existed to be saved from Quark by Paris, to be Paris' friend and to be saved from the Caretaker. And worse, saved from a disease contracted during an alien's attempt at reproduction. Wang may have had a regular credit but Kim was never a major character.

But it's more likely that he was on the bridge primarily to be observed by Janeway and Tuvok. It seems to me that it was the crew losses that led to his de facto promotion to senior staff and department head. Which I guess is what led Janeway to be so complimentary to in Twisted, inasmuch as no, green ensigns generally should not be able to meet such responsibility so well. Dating badly is hardly relevant.

A mere ensign being a major department head and senior staff bespeaks great competence. In current militaries, such responsibility must be acknowledged with the appropriate rank. But this sort of thing gets into the question of whether Starfleet is a military organization, and people will never agree on that. But it is clear that not promoting Kim is not a black mark against the character, because if he was incompetent he shouldn't have been senior staff and department head.

On the up side, people can agree that they wouldn't like Kim any more if he was a lieutenant.

 

[Guy Gardener]

His wife was a doctor. Entry level Doctors are Lieutenants. Even if it was a provisional rank badge and not a couple pips, shouldn't that have created performance problems in the bedroom?

Andrew Kim is a miracle baby!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

No of course it wouldn't create performance problems. Every single woman he's been with has been his superior so he's quite used to that.

 

[Wadjda]

Condoms are a different matter.

 

[Timewalker]

From the moment he first stepped on board Voyager, Harry was a Senior Staff Officer, a trusted Senior Bridge Officer, and the Head of Department for the Operations Division, AS AN ENSIGN.

Harry was the Voyager counterpart to Miles O'Brien, yet you don't see people whining about 'poor Miles'.

Harry didn't need a higher physical rank because he was already in a position of authority, and it was a mistake to make a joke out of his lowly physical rank because it cheapened his character and role on the ship.

The only time I think about "poor Miles" is in the context of "Poor Miles, being married to Keiko the Shrew, who mocks his choice of food, begrudges him his recreation time with Julian, and doesn't even pronounce his name correctly."

Just watch how Janeway welcomes Harry to the bridge the very first time. "Ensign Kim, this is your station." She seems a bit condescending, or patronizing, or maybe it's just her maternal instinct dealing with a puppy dog. I dunno.

Considering that Harry's mommy contacted Janeway because her little boy had forgotten to pack his clarinet, it's not surprising Janeway might have been a bit condescending to him.

I wonder if Mrs. Kim sewed name tags on all of Harry's other belongings?

 

[2takesfrakes]

The only time I think about "poor Miles" is in the context of "Poor Miles, being married to Keiko the Shrew, who mocks his choice of food, begrudges him his recreation time with Julian, and doesn't even pronounce his name correctly."

But, you must admit, Keiko is really easy on the eyes.
It forgives many sins ...

 

[Timewalker]

Sorry, but Rosalind Chao does absolutely nothing for me.

 

[exodus]

Why was Harry Kim never promoted to Lieutenant Junior Grade by Janeway while he was in the DQ? Couldn't she have issued a field promotion or something? I know she messed around with Tom Paris' rank a few times. And Picard made Wesley a full Ensign without him even attending the Academy.

It seemed like Kim saved the day quite a few times; I can't imagine it taking more than that to pass the rank of Ensign (esp. since he was Valedictorian of his Starfleet Academy class).

Thoughts?

Saved the day?

I thought he always fucked up?


"Emanations"- Not even a week out of the Academy, his first contact with an alien species and without hesitation he ignores the Prime Directive and lets a pre-warp citizens know exactly who he is and where he's from.

"Prime Factors"- After being told "no" by the Captain, he schemes a way to steal alien technology.

"Heroes & Demons"- First time in the holodeck, gets held hostage by an alien life form.

"The Thaw"- The only crewman afraid of the Clown

"Resolutions" - Showed outright insubordination with his now commanding officer, Tuvok. Weather Tuvok was right or wrong, Harry still showed disrespect for the chain of command.

"The Chute" - almost kills Tom over a metal pipe after being in prison for a few days.

"Future's End"- Exposes 24th century Voyager to 21st century news media.

"Alter Ego" -Goes into a jealous fit of rage over a married Vulcan man talking to his then holographic girlfriend. A Vulcan only has sex every 7 years and would also find no logic in adultery. What was Harry jealous of?

"Favorite Son" - Do I need to explain how dumb Harry is in this one?

"The Killing Game" - the Hirogen know a whipping boy when they see one.

"Timeless" - Due to Harry's stupidity, he crashes the ship and kills everyone inside. You're an Engineer, you created a new piece of technology and you never ran simulations to see if it works until after you built it? You're an Engineer who can't do calculations? For this alone, Harry doesn't deserve a promotion.

"The Disease" - Yet again, Harry is insubordinate with his commanding officer. Not only does he disobey the Captain but medical protocols too. His reprimand here would give Janeway second thoughts about giving a promotion.

"Drive" - Harry again gets into trouble by thinking with his penis again. How many times is it now? What happened to Libby, his fiance?

"Nightingale" - This ep. is another example that Harry isn't ready to step up for a promotion. He's left in charge of the "night watch" on Voyager but when left alone, can't properly utilize his training to do the job.

"Work Force" - With no faith left in Harry to be in command, Chakotay leaves the hologram in charge of the ship in his absence.

When push came to shove, Harry couldn't take charge of the situation. That's a big part of being ready for the position is showing you can handle the task of Lt. Harry showed every time he couldn't.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I liked Rosalind Chao in The O.C. Something about the desk..

 

[exodus]

I liked Rosalind Chao in The O.C. Something about the desk..

I think it's a shame we don't see more of her in shows or movies.