Yeah. For the show to boldly go where no man has gone before, it has to risk upsetting the expectations.
Lower Expectations, says Discovery Writer.
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Yep. Innovate or die.
Well, I think it's valid to entertain both; that's why I said what I said about highly specific expectations. To take a small example, what if the crew of the Discovery are wearing something other than the canonical circa-"Where No Man Has Gone Before" mock-turtleneck uniforms?
There are some fans who would consider that to be the loose thread that threatens to unravel the whole tapestry. I submit that those folks might want to consider recalibrating a little, if only for fear of giving the impression that caring deeply about Star Trek requires caring deeply about turtlenecks.
*ahem*
C'mon ... really?
Bring back (The Akiraprise™) bitching circa. 2001 ... there was bitching for good reason. Now I... OMG... I... I just don't know anymore...
Yeah so in other words article = crock of shit. Please post stuff that matters - thanks.
(BTW I am rather inebriated at time of posting so ... yippy. Enterprise was ... kinda okay).
C'mon ... really?
Bring back (The Akiraprise™) bitching circa. 2001 ... there was bitching for good reason. Now I... OMG... I... I just don't know anymore...
Yeah so in other words article = crock of shit. Please post stuff that matters - thanks.
(BTW I am rather inebriated at time of posting so ... yippy. Enterprise was ... kinda okay).
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Well, I had the opposite experience with ENT.
Back in '01, I was totally stoked that we would have this exciting new show called Enterprise. It was going to be great!
Then I actually watched it, week after week. And it was an enormous, unspeakable letdown, from the sappy music to the sheer mediocrity of the stories and characters.
These days I rarely ever revisit that godawful show.
Kor
It's just not THAT bad. I still rank season 4 #5 on the all-time Star Trek season list. There are 30 seasons of Trek shows.
RAMA
I think fans need to sit down, relax, have a Saurian Brandy or 4 and really explore their feelings deeply about why they knee-jerk this dismissive, aggressive attitude. Trekkies are extremely negative.
Obviously I know why and No I am not promoting alcoholism..don't make me hurt you. "You" know who you are.
RAMA
Obviously I know why and No I am not promoting alcoholism..don't make me hurt you. "You" know who you are.
RAMA
Holy shit, all of this.
Me, I was open to nuTrek when I knew Berman and Braga would have no part. Not a diss on the good things they brought to the franchise, but the burnout was apparent with Enterprise. Beyond that, I'm game for whatever.
I'd said so before, and I say it again: I have no expectations for this new show save that it should be noticeably sci-fi. Creativity requires unshackling, which is tough enough for a franchise show. We're not in the 90s, were not in 2001. The 2017 take on Star Trek should be new and boldly different if it wants to bring in more people into the fold and excite the handful of existing fans.
True dat70 is the new 50.
I work at a car dealership and there's a gentleman there who is pushing 90 in sales. Unlike most of the young bucks, he actually makes calls to his customers and always has plenty of notes. I thought with his energy that he was maybe sixty!
It's why it infuriates me to no end that my mom wants to NOT work and be taken care of despite being one of the healthiest fifty somethings that her nurses see on any given day she goes to the doctor but that's a whole other rant entirely.
My expectations are good cg, prime uniforms and ships, and great storytelling more like TOS, in that it has a moral to the story and has great characterization. I also hope that there are no lens flares, iBridges, brewery engineering decks, and no pushy insubordinate officers.
The title is rather misleading. He was speaking of unreasonably high expectations that are bound to lead to disappointment no matter how good the show is, not saying that fan expectations should be dropped to sub-par, lowest-common-denominator levels, which is what the title of the article implies.
Kor
Pretty much this, unreasonably high expectations are never good. But I'm still excited.
I get what he's saying. Sound advice for the release of a new installment of any beloved franchise.
You might want to prepare for some disappointment. I get the impression there's some major reimagining going on.
1) Uniforms. They'll probably look less like the Primes than the Kelvins do. Might use the colors though, but not the ones from the Cage.
2) Ships. We've seen the hero ship and the reaction has been mixed. Again, it doesn't look like it's from the Cage or even TOS proper.
3) Storytelling. Well it's going to be arc based,with a single plot running through the entire season. Might even have several POV characters on different ships. So not like TOS.
4) Morals. Maybe
5) Great characterization. Hopefully.
6) Lens Flare, iBridge, brewery. Who can say. One of the guys who okayed those is the man at the top.
7) Pushy insubordinate officers. The main character is the XO. I'm thinking there will be some push. Though it's not like our TOS heroes weren't pushy and insubordinate at times. They were down right mutinous on occasion.
Fair warning.
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I also hope the ship has a brig so that they don't have to shoot troublemakers out in one-man pods to crash and die on ice planets.
Beat me to itYou might want to prepare for some disappointment. I get the impression there's some major reimagining going on.
1) Uniforms. They'll probably look less like the Primes than the Kelvins do. Might use the colors though, but not the ones from the Cage.
2) Ships. We've seen the hero ship and the reaction has been mixed. Again, it doesn't look like it's from the Cage or even TOS proper.
3) Storytelling. Well it's going to be arc based,with a single plot running through the entire season. Might even have several POV characters on different ships. So not like TOS.
4) Morals. Maybe
5) Great characterization. Hopefully.
6) Lens Flare, iBridge, brewery. Who can say. One of the guys from who okayed those is the man at the top.
7) Pushy insubordinate officers. The main character is the XO. I'm thinking there will be some push. Though it's not like our TOS heroes weren't pushy and insubordinate at times. They were down right mutinous on occasion.
Fair warning.
I doubt Spock expected Kirk to die. There was a Starfleet outpost on the planet.
Also the computer in the pod explicitly tells him to remain in the pod until someone from the Federation outpost can retrieve him. The only reason Kirk was in danger is because (surprise!) he put himself in danger. Such is the nature of Kirk. lol
The ship has a brig. But sometimes a brig isn't quite enough. (See Mitchell, Gary, WNMHGB). Hmmmm. Coincidence?
Ooh, good point. Tere is a continuity precedent of Kirk marooning Mitchell on "Delta Vega" at a Starfleet facility/lithium cracking station.
Who knew that Kirk would learn that trick from Spock?
Ooh, good point. Tere is a continuity precedent of Kirk marooning Mitchell on "Delta Vega" at a Starfleet facility/lithium cracking station.
Who knew that Kirk would learn that trick from Spock?
Who knew that Kirk had such strong telekinetic powers that he was a threat to the lives of the entire crew?
