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Lost from the beginning (NO SPOILERS)

^ I didn't realize it until they spelled it out for me. I feel kinda dumb.

And now without further ado, here's The Incident:

Oh look. It's a Lost finale that is freaking amazing and epic with crazy game changing twists. Geez, can't they ever do anything original? :rolleyes: :p

So where do we start? There's a man dressed in white spinning some thread, then gutting a fish, and then sitting on a rock. There's a ship out off the shore. The Black Rock, I'm guessing? Then a man dressed in black comes and sits down next to him. Oh look, a recurring motif! The two men have an argument about human nature, and such. The man in black says he desperately wants to kill the other, and will find a loophole. Oh, and the man in white is Jacob. :eek:

It looks like Jacob has been a force in our heroes lives for some time, unbeknown to them. He helps young Kate escape a juvie shoplifting charge (even at a young age Kate was no good, it seems.) He gives a young James Ford the pen he needs to write his "Dear Mister Sawyer" letter. He....gives Jack a candy bar. That particular flashback moment disappointed me, actually. We see the actual surgery that Jack described in his story way back in the pilot. Instead of it being Jack's triumph over his fear, though, it's a story of Christian shouting at him to get it together. It cheapens the moment quite a bit. Jacob also crashes Jin and Sun's wedding to give them his blessing. He is possibly responsible for Locke's survival, as well. Locke seemed to wake up right after Jacob touched him. He also saves Sayid's life by distracting him from the crosswalk. Sadly, poor Nadia isn't as lucky. Finally, he gets into a cab with Hurley the day before Ajira 316, and talks him into returning to island. Also, that guitar case that Hurley has been toting around was given to him by Jacob. Something tells me it's no ordinary guitar inside. There's also one other random flashback with Juliet, where her parents are getting a divorce. Jacob doesn't factor into this one at all, so I question its inclusion.

Now, on to the island. First, the past. Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate decide they can't sit around on this sub anymore and they have to stop Jackl. They manage to escape, and bring the sub back to the surface. Once there, they run across Vincent, Rose, and Bernard. They've all been living together for the past three years. Awwwwwwww. They also want nothing to do with the stuff that's going down. "It's always something with you people," Rose remarks. So, if Rose and Bernard are staying in 1977, is it also possible that they are Adam and Eve from the caves? That would be really sweet, actually.

Jack, Sayid, Eloise, and Richard go down into the tunnels below the island where Jughead has been buried. Obviously, transporting the bomb is going to be a problem. They start dismantling it, to take just the core. Once done, Jack and Sayid are shown the way back up to the barracks. Richard smacks Eloise over the head to keep her from coming along, and tells Jack and Sayid that they are on their own. As the two try to escape through the barracks, though, Ben's father recognizes Sayid and shoots him. Well, shit. Jack and Sayid are saved by Hurley, Miles, and Jin in a van. They drive off towards the Swan.

Along the way to the Swan, the van crew is intercepted by Sawyer's crew. What follows is a knockdown drag out fight between Sawyer and Jack that has probably been stewing since day one. It's fascinating how far Jack has come. He is now acting solely on faith. A far cry from the man of science he was at the beginning. Juliet changes her mind about the bomb, and is able to convince Sawyer as well. Now everyone is on the same side. Off to the swan for the incident.

But before that, let's join our crew in the present. Illana and her people are hauling a big ass box around, and they are looking for Jacob's cabin. They show Frank what's inside, which gets a less than enthusiastic reaction from him. Once they reach Jacob's cabin, they find it empty. Illana says that someone else has been using it. So...wait? If Jacob hasn't been using it, then who has? Who was Locke really speaking to? They torch the cabin and leave. I guess it won't be used again.

Locke's group is traveling toward the statue, where Richard says Jacob lives. On the way, Locke tells Ben that he actually isn't going to kill Jacob, Ben is. Ben is rather taken aback by this, but Locke gives him a whole list of reasons. Ben seems convinced, and his vow to follow Locke's every order binds him to do it.

Once at the statue, Locke and Ben go inside. Outside, Richard is found by Illana, who calls him Ricardus, and asks him a question "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" Richard answers backs in Latin, which satisfies Illana. She shows him the contents of the box: John Locke's body. :eek: :eek: :eek: So who is that inside the statue? Well, we don't have to wait long to find out. Jacob deduces that Locke is indeed the man in black, after saying that he's "found his loophole." Ben throws a little tamper tantrum to Jacob about how slighted he thinks he's been. "What about me?" he whines. Jacob's response is pretty damn cold, but accurate. "What about you?" Ben flies into a rage and stabs Jacob repeatedly. Once he's down, NotLocke kicks him into the fire. Oh Jacob, we hardly knew ye.

So...what does this mean? If Locke is this man in black, then this means that he has the ability to impersonate people. Is the man in black also the smoke monster? Is he the one that was using the cabin, then? So is Christian also him? If so, does that mean the Locke was manipulated for whatever nefarious ends the man in black has? And what of Jacob? What repercussions does his death have? What is his relationship to this other man? Is he truly the good one, and the man in black the evil one? The questions raised by this are endless and intriguing.

Lastly, we get to the explosive part of the finale, literally. It's time for the titular incident. Radzinsky and Chang have been having a rather heated argument over whether or not to keep drilling. Of course, we're siding with Chang here since we know that there's danger here, and because Radzinsky is a douche. Jack's team arrives and a big firefight ensues. Jack drops the bomb down the hole, but it doesn't go off. Instead the electromagnetic pocket is hit, and all hell really starts breaking loose. Metal crap is flying everywhere, and Phil gets some rebars right through his chest. Serves him kinda right, I guess. But the worst is yet to come. Juliet is grabbed by some chains, and is pulled down into the hole. Noooooooooooooooo! :( We also see how Chang loses his arm, as a piece of scaffold comes down on it. It would seem their plan has failed.

Or has it? Juliet survived the fall, somehow. She knows she's not making it back up, though. She grabs a rock and starts banging on the nuke to try to detonate. it. She tries, and tries, and tries, and then......BOOM! The Lost logo appears black on white, instead of white on black. :eek:

So what's happened? Has the energy been destroyed and the entire series negated? Or did it fail, and Juliet is now a pile of ash? I guess I'll find out as soon as the next season arrives. It came out today, so Amazon should be shipping it soon. Damn, this is going to be a long wait.
 
Damn, this is going to be a long wait.
Imagine having to wait a damn year after this first aired. Torture. Sheer torture.

Odo, now that you know Locke isn't Locke, you should rewatch "Jeremy Benthem" (which now has a tragically sad ending) and, I think "Dead is Dead," the episode where Ben is supposed to be "judged" by Smokey. You should see these episodes in an entirely new light, and there's lots of little things you don't pick up on until after you've seen "The Incident," a million clues to "Locke's" identity that were staring us in the face the entire time.
 
I thought "The Incident" was another fabulous LOST season finale.

I thought the way the writers executed the big reveal of Jacob and the intact statue was just perfect. It never crossed my mind that this guy was Jacob until the other guy said his name. I also thought it was pretty cool showing us the day the Black Rock arrived at the island in the far distance.

I also appreciated how the writers built to this moment finally showing us who had been orchestrating everything. I mean since S1 I had wondered was it just a cosmic force like Fate bringing everyone together or was it some global conspiracy involving those from Oceanic or Dharma. Now we knew who the gods of the story were acting as Lindeloff & Cuse's avatar. The MiB/Jacob conversation gave off a similiar vibe as the Six/Baltar scene in the BSG finale.

I also loved the fact that I never saw the twist that Locke wasn't really Locke--up until the very moment when his body was dumped out I just figured the island resurrected him and dying gave him a newfound sense of purpose. I also didn't see MiB being Locke until the mention of the "loophole" in their conversation in the statue. So for me not being spoiled or reading theories made those double twists oh so satisfying.

I think what made everything so great were all the intriguing moments i.e. when Bram eerily told Frank of something more terrifying in the box just made you want to know what the heck was in there plus it was frankly a chilling moment or what is a candidate or what's up at the cabin or why does Locke want to kill Jacob etc etc.

And those two pieces made everything else just click--Ben really had never seen someone come back to life after dying so he was telling Sun the truth, we now knew the significance of "Dead is Dead" which cleanly resolved any questions about dead characters we saw being brought back to life, we knew where "Locke" snuck off to at the village when Ben went inside his housing unit, we knew how he knew where to bring Richard and what to tell John during the time jumps, we knew that he was Christian since Christian was in the cabin so why take Claire, we knew he was Alex and his scare of Ben was to get him to follow his orders including killing Jacob and why "Locke" really went to get rope to get Ben out of the hole, we knew now how he knew of the temple. I was also anxious to learn more about the significance of the cabin and both Jacob and MiB's connection to it next season.

The flashbacks themselves were okay--nothing riveting--but I understood the need to include them showing how Jacob had always unbeknowst to us and the characters themselves been a part of their lives. The Juliet flashback felt like it came out of the blue. There was never any hint about her parents and just seemed kinda gratuitous.

Again the action was just so well executed especially at the Swan site showdown. I loved the way the writers chose to end the episode with the white flash--was it just a stylistic flare, the flash from the detonation, a time jump which were also associated with flashes of white light. Supernatural also did a similiar ending that was effective too that same year a day later.

While this was quite good I have to say it still couldn't beat what I consider the best season finale from the show--S4's "There's No Place Like Home I-III". That was riveting from beginning to end with no lulls like this finale did i.e. the fight between Sawyer and Jack or some of the flashbacks.

"The Incident"'s cliffhanger along with the flash forward reveals in S3 were my two favorite season finale cliffhangers the show ever did. While nothing will ever compare to TNG's "The Best of BOth Worlds" this generated a similiar feel of urgent frustration though that the S3 cliffhanger didn't. This one you knew couldn't be put off in being addressed--because what comes after the flash--I didn't even try to speculate because I had no idea how they were going to handle resolving this kinda like BoBW. I just ad faith that what ever they came up with would be fantastic. Plus we knew that all the answers couldn't be held off any longer or carried over into yet another season since S6 was it.

I actually felt that 6 seasons was just about right but I was going to enjoy whatever was left and just knew the writers were saving the best for last. All the unanswered mysteries were going to finally be addressed--the ancient civilization, the statue, the whispers, more about Dharma, Hanso, Widmore, Eloise, the injections Des took in S2, the smoke monster, the food drops from S2, who is Jacob, who is the MiB, what is their relationship, what happened to the statue, how does Richard not age, what about the War Widmore mentioned, what is the Big Mystery of the Island etc etc. Unfortunately now I think it might have been better to stop right here.:rommie:
 
Awwww, don't say that. I've been afraid from the start that the answers would be nowhere near as satisfying as the mysteries,but so far the show has been really good about that. Let's keep any critiques of the last season out of the thread until I've gotten there, please.

And yeah, I had thought about how sad "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" is in retrospect. Locke was a favorite of mine from the start. It's sad to think that, though the actor is probably still on the show, Locke himself is dead and gone. It's kinda like the Man in Black is insulting his memory by using his image for evil deeds.

Rest in peace, John Locke. You were too awesome for this world. :(
 
I thought it was a pretty neat way of keeping O'Quinn around if they indeed intended to do that and it would give him something new to play with acting-wise.

I will say that John's death felt again like a plot point to advance the Jacob/MiB thread--it was like "Oh look it's dead John, moving on".
 
Well, he's dead. Lingering on his body isn't going to serve much purpose. Also, everyone had their chance to react to his death already when we first found out he was dead. None of them, save Jack, really cared. Heck, the only major characters that were even there were Sun, Ben, and Richard. They certainly reacted.
 
I hope you appreciate how fortunate you are, not needing to wait -months- to find out the results of The Incident. :)
 
It's interesting that in every flashback Jacob touches Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid and Sun and Jin. He never appears to Juliet so he never touches her.
I guess it was because they were all candidates but Juliet wasn't? I've heard that the name Burke was seen in the cave wall of the Lighthouse(I never spotted it perhaps on my DVDs?) but it could've been someone else
 
Damn, this is going to be a long wait.
Imagine having to wait a damn year after this first aired. Torture. Sheer torture.
Indeed. You'll pardon me if I don't have much sympathy for your "long wait", OdoWan. :p :D

Let's keep any critiques of the last season out of the thread until I've gotten there, please.
Just emphasising this for whoever else might be tempted to inflict their opinion of the final season on OdoWan before he's seen it. Let him make up his own mind, okay?


Oh, and "The Incident" was an incredible episode. Poor Juliet. :(
 
I got Season 6 yesterday at Best Buy (you silly people waiting for your precious Amazon to ship it to you), and I rewatched "The Incident" last night to remind myself where we were. I frickin' love that episode. So much shit is going on. However, it did remind me how much I felt Sun was wasted in Season 5. All she really did was sit around and make weird faces. It was definitely a weird group of characters she got stuck with, though, so I feel like there might have been some chemistry lacking there.

You definitely need to make up your own mind about the last season. Some people like it, some people hate it. Just watch it on your own and make your own decision.
 
I think I cried more during the final moments of "The Incident" than another point of the series at that point, more than Charlie's death or Desmond and Penny's reunion. Juliet really grew on me and I loved her relationship with James. To see her in such a horribly painful situation was agony to watch. "Come on, you son of a bitch!" :(
 
I'm back! Let's get the final season ball rolling:

LA X:

So, where were we? Juliet was detonating the bomb, Jacob was dead, and so was Locke. But we don't we don't start with any of that. We start at the very beginning of the show, on the plane before it's crashed. But wait! It doesn't crash. The island is also buried at the bottom of ocean! :eek: Bernard comes back from the restroom. Then Desmond comes and sits next to Jack. What the? I guess the bomb exploding worked. But did it? There's one thing that grabbed my attention that seemed off. Hurley claims himself to be the luckiest man alive. Now what's up with that? Also, that's not all there is to the episode. Everyone is still on the island. So what is this? Alternate universe? What if? These people would appear to be in two places as once. They still seemed destined to meet one another, though, as their paths keep crossing in the airport. What of Desmond, though? How did he end up on 815 in this time line? The incident wasn't responsible for bringing him to the island, was it? Ahhhhhhh! So many questions this raises!

Since we've still got a whole season left, everyone landing and living happily (or otherwise) ever after wouldn't make for much a show. That's why everyone is also apparently still on the island. The people that were in 1977 have now been blown to the present, though. This makes things worse when they hear Juliet calling out in the wreckage of the Swan. After much effort to get her out, she ends up dying in Sawyer's arms. :( :( :( Damn, I was hoping there would be some Deus Ex Machina to save her, but no. She's dead.

Speaking of dead, there's some major crap going down at the statue. Jacob is dead and gone and Locke....er, um...whatever he is, asks Ben to go get Richard. This goes over very well and Richard is more than happy to go see Locke. Or not. He shows Ben Locke's dead body, and Ben begins to realize just how much he has been played. The chess-master has become a pawn. It's kinda sad when you think about it. Ben's entire character arc has been him getting battered and used. If he weren't such a bastard, I would feel sorry for him. Ben goes back into the statue with a few of Illana's crew who promptly get slaughtered by the smoke monster. Well there's confirmation that the monster and the man in black, who is currently Locke, are one in the same. So what do we call him, now? Smocke?

Jack's crew now has the problem of Sayid to deal with as well. While everyone is trying to pull Juliet out of the wreckage, Hurley has a visit from Jacob. Jacob tells Hurley that the only way to save Sayid is to take him to the temple, and that he should bring the guitar case with him. So, to the temple they go. Sawyer and Miles hang back to bury Juliet. Sawyer has a reason for this. He wants Miles to talk to Juliet and find out what she wanted to tell him before she died. Miles says she wanted to say "It worked."

Once at the temple, the crew heads inside but is ambushed by the others within. They are ready to kill them, when Hurley says that Jacob sent him, and they should look in the guitar case. Inside is an ankh. Inside the ankh is a piece of paper. After reading the paper, the head Other asks all of them for their names. He seems satisfied and takes Sayid inside to be healed. I'm assuming the piece of paper had all of their named on it. For what purpose, though?

Finally we get to see the inside of the temple. There's a spring in the middle, which is apparently what is needed for the healing. It seems it might be too late for Sayid, though. After his run through the spring, the Others declare him dead. A little later, they have a talk with Hurley and he tells them that Jacob is dead. Sound the alarms! I like how we get an explanation for a small mystery I had almost forgotten about. The ash that had appeared around the cabin was to keep the monster out. I'm now trying to rememeber, when Locke met Christian within the cabin, there was no ash around it, was there? Is that why the cabin moved, so that he/it could use it? How was it moved, then? Leave it to Lost to answer questions with more questions.

The episode ends with scary stuff on both sides. Ben and "Smocke" have a conversation down in the statue, where Smocke reveals his plan: to escape from the island. That can only be a bad thing. The two of them come out of the statue to the horror of everyone there. Smocke confronts Richard, who says it's nice to see him out of his chains. This causes Richard to recognize who this actually is, before he's knocked out. It would seem they are all at the mercy of this rather terrifying force now. In the temple, the Others are demanding to speak to Jack about something alone. He's resistant, and they're about to drag him away when they're interrupted by Sayid waking up. Um......I thought dead was dead? What's going on?

Overall a good kick-off to the season. This certainly is a game changer. I'll tell you, at the beginning of the series, I never would have guessed the direction the show has gone in. I'm not complaining, mind you. It's just been quite a ride so far.
 
If you don't already know, I'd say that the final season is probably the most polarizing for the fans of the entire series. Your final opinion may in large part end up shaped by what you're ultimately hoping to get out of the show.

Frankly I found it a good ride, though I'm a little leery of how well it will hold up when I rewatch it.

Mostly off-topic, I received the complete series on Blu Ray yesterday...OMG seeing it this way is magnificent...it's like cleaning a layer of dust off a standard tv while turning it into a widescreen at the same time and realizing you had the "Awesome" switch turned off by accident.
 
LA X:

Since we've still got a whole season left, everyone landing and living happily (or otherwise) ever after wouldn't make for much a show. That's why everyone is also apparently still on the island. The people that were in 1977 have now been blown to the present, though. This makes things worse when they hear Juliet calling out in the wreckage of the Swan. After much effort to get her out, she ends up dying in Sawyer's arms. :( :( :( Damn, I was hoping there would be some Deus Ex Machina to save her, but no. She's dead.

Big change from before huh? I don't think that I would've felt bad last season, upon seeing this scene.


So what do we call him, now? Smocke?

Once people online saw the two Lockes, this one was often referred to as "FLock," for "Fake Locke." "Smocke"--I assume "Smoke Locke"--sounds good, too.


Once at the temple, the crew heads inside but is ambushed by the others within. They are ready to kill them, when Hurley says that Jacob sent him, and they should look in the guitar case. Inside is an ankh. Inside the ankh is a piece of paper. After reading the paper, the head Other asks all of them for their names. He seems satisfied and takes Sayid inside to be healed. I'm assuming the piece of paper had all of their named on it. For what purpose, though?

Hurley's great here, huh?


Finally we get to see the inside of the temple. There's a spring in the middle, which is apparently what is needed for the healing. It seems it might be too late for Sayid, though. After his run through the spring, the Others declare him dead. A little later, they have a talk with Hurley and he tells them that Jacob is dead. Sound the alarms! I like how we get an explanation for a small mystery I had almost forgotten about. The ash that had appeared around the cabin was to keep the monster out. I'm now trying to rememeber, when Locke met Christian within the cabin, there was no ash around it, was there? Is that why the cabin moved, so that he/it could use it? How was it moved, then? Leave it to Lost to answer questions with more questions.

Same questions everyone else asked themselves.


Overall a good kick-off to the season. This certainly is a game changer. I'll tell you, at the beginning of the series, I never would have guessed the direction the show has gone in. I'm not complaining, mind you. It's just been quite a ride so far.

It gets better--or worse, or both.
 
I like it. :lol:

Enjoy the season. As you've no doubt gathered it definitely rubbed some people very much the wrong way, while others enjoyed it a great deal (and there are probably quite a few somewhere in between as well). I look forward to finding out which camp you'll end up in. :D
 
Yeah, besides the overall season I think there were at least two episodes that were specifically polarizing. I look forward to some new thoughts on the subject.
 
What Kate Does:

It's the second episode of the season, and it's a Kate episode. It goes to follow that it just won't live up to the momentum set up by the first episode. What Kate does is escape justice once again. :rolleyes: This guy may just be the most incompetent Federal Marshall ever. When we last saw Kate she had hopped into a cab with Claire, and taken off. She drops Clair off in the middle of nowhere, and then proceeds to make her escape. After getting rid of her cuffs, and changing her clothes, she goes and picks Claire back up. Curiously, the couple that the psychic had mentioned seems to actually exist in this universe. They're not a couple anymore, though. Claire them goes into labor. I was expecting to see Jack as the doctor that takes care of her, but no, it's a surprise: Ethan! Well, since the island is at the bottom of the ocean, I guess it goes to follow that Dharma probably moved away from it and Ethan led a normal life. I'm curious to see if the alternate Ben is a nice, well-adjusted individual.

At the temple on the island, the Others don't seem to be too happy to see Zombie-Sayid, so they take him and strap him down to do some rather extreme seeming tests on him. The head guy, whose name we learn is Dogen, says that Sayid is infected. Is this the same kind of infection that affected the French crew? Does it have something to do with the water not being clear. I thought dead was dead, even on the island, and Sayid was certainly dead long beyond the the time he could have come back from. I'm just as suspicious of Sayid as the Others seem to be. Dogen gives Jack a pill to give to Sayid. Jack is hesitant, though, and decides to make Dogen tell him what's in the pill by swallowing it himself. Dogen stops him, and reveals that it's poison. Then he tells Jack that the darkness that has taken Sayid has also taken Claire.

Sawyer doesn't like sitting around in the temple, and decides to leave. Kate, Jin, and two Others go after him. Eventually, they all separate, with Kate alone finding Sawyer. The best scenes in this episode belong to Sawyer. Juliet's death has completely devastated and broken him. He blames himself. Sawyer has had such a great character arc in show show. I really hope he doesn't sink back in his pit of self-loathing that he was in at the beginning.

As we end the episode, the two Others catch up to Jin and are about to kill him when they are both shot by Claire. Well, she's looking rather different. I guess several years alone in the jungle will do that to you. So if the darkness has taken her, I wonder if this will be a happy reunion or not.
 
This was a pretty boring episode. The only good moments that had me perk up with interest were Claire's cliffhanger return to the story at the end and the Kate/Sawyer scene at the dock. Other than that it for me it was just "there" and that is extremely unusual for LOST which had always made even their set-up episodes interesting with a nice mix of revelations and twists.

It also didn't help that there was no MIB/Smokey/Flocke this week either--a much more interesting story thread the show had going at this time.
 
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