What does Desmond want to show them?
Lost 6x11: "Happily Ever After"
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Evading the questions in the island story is really starting to annoy me but I'll still give it an excellent. Strong performances here by all involved.
Excellent.
It's coming together at last! This whole sideways universe is making more sense- it's not supposed to be that way. Well, duh, but now the Losties are really seeing it.
Why did I just know it would be Desmond and Charlie who really put it together first?
It's coming together at last! This whole sideways universe is making more sense- it's not supposed to be that way. Well, duh, but now the Losties are really seeing it.
Why did I just know it would be Desmond and Charlie who really put it together first?
Strong performances here by all involved.[/QUOTE]
For a second I thought you were serious and I was like what the hell did I miss in that episode?
For a second I thought you were serious and I was like what the hell did I miss in that episode?
Some Thoughtless Ramblings
1. - The Bomb/Alternative Universe Explanation - We saw the Island sunk under the ocean at the beginning of the season, and in this episode Daniel also talks about the Bomb, so that help reaffirms it must have been the bomb that did that, perhaps in conjunction with the unique electromagnetic properties of the island it created an alternate universe!
2. - Desmond - I almost got the feeling that in that instant, when he touched Penny, the two Desmond's switched bodies. It kinda felt like maybe the real universe Desmond is now in the Alternate universe, and the alternate universe Desmond is now in the real universe, but both have their memories of each respective universe still, plus their other universe they came from. Confusing I know, but I just kind of got that idea. Or, it could be nothing and only the real universe Desmond got that glimpse of the alternate universe and that is just all there is to it.
Great episode, A+, Excellent, Pacing was great, and now the alternate universe story lines are interesting finally, Eloise knows, and Desmond, Charlie and Daniel are figuring it out, awesome, the sideways universe has meaning now.
1. - The Bomb/Alternative Universe Explanation - We saw the Island sunk under the ocean at the beginning of the season, and in this episode Daniel also talks about the Bomb, so that help reaffirms it must have been the bomb that did that, perhaps in conjunction with the unique electromagnetic properties of the island it created an alternate universe!
2. - Desmond - I almost got the feeling that in that instant, when he touched Penny, the two Desmond's switched bodies. It kinda felt like maybe the real universe Desmond is now in the Alternate universe, and the alternate universe Desmond is now in the real universe, but both have their memories of each respective universe still, plus their other universe they came from. Confusing I know, but I just kind of got that idea. Or, it could be nothing and only the real universe Desmond got that glimpse of the alternate universe and that is just all there is to it.
Great episode, A+, Excellent, Pacing was great, and now the alternate universe story lines are interesting finally, Eloise knows, and Desmond, Charlie and Daniel are figuring it out, awesome, the sideways universe has meaning now.
My original theory was that the island folk had to die to get to the alt/reality. Now I think they have to die in the alt/reality to get back to the island reality, then have the big MiB showdown with the remaining candidates
The alt/reality was caused by the bomb. It is 'wrong' and our characters are figuring that out with 'bleedthrogh' that Charlie saw when he almost died, Desmond saw when he almost drowned (and in the MRI) and Daniel knows too, not to mention Eloise.
It all coming together! I think we'll see more characters in the alt/reality figure it out too (based on some spoilers I read)
Question: have you been watching this series from the beginning?
Many questions are being answered, and the theories of the alt/universe are coming together as our losties figure it out. What's not to get?
But....ummm...they're already *on* the island and experiencing the "island reality."
It wasn't a bad episode, but I thought it had serious character motivation problems as far as why anyone would believe that something was wrong. No clear evidence was presented from a character viewpoint (not a viewer's viewpoint).
What would it take you to be convinced that your existence was somehow wrong?
It reminds me of the crazy way that Jack suddenly got convinced that he had to blow up an atomic bomb to make everything right.
Best episode this season, an easy Excellent. The endgame is in sight now, and I'm starting to vaguely see how the pieces are fitting together. We basically have two main stories, i.e. Jacob v. MiB and the time travel/flashsideways stuff, and they'll soon be colliding. What I find most remarkable about this show is that "Ab Aeterno" and "Happily Ever After" are FROM THE SAME SERIES. I haven't watched another show that can pull stuff like that off convincingly. 5 more, then the finale...oh my. 
The only thing missing this week was a countdown to V.
The only thing missing this week was a countdown to V.
Great episode. It was just "this" shy of being a really great episode. We learned, I think, a lot of the sideways reality though I think it differs from my original theory (that the sideways reality is the coda to the story).
It seems clear that the mission in the sideways reality is to realize that they made a mistake by setting the bomb off and they will attempt to undo what they've done and attempt to set things back to the way they were. I think that means that the sideways reality will cease to exist eventually and it will merge back into the island story which will play out as the climax.
Desmond after the flashes on island appears to just not care or maybe he knows more than was revealed on screen tonight. His goal is obviously to do whatever it takes to hook up with Penny in the sideways reality......I dunno. We are definitely moving closer to the answers and there was some great character moments in the show along with a healthy dose of Charlie which really brought a healthy dose of Season 3 feeling to it.
9.1/10
It seems clear that the mission in the sideways reality is to realize that they made a mistake by setting the bomb off and they will attempt to undo what they've done and attempt to set things back to the way they were. I think that means that the sideways reality will cease to exist eventually and it will merge back into the island story which will play out as the climax.
Desmond after the flashes on island appears to just not care or maybe he knows more than was revealed on screen tonight. His goal is obviously to do whatever it takes to hook up with Penny in the sideways reality......I dunno. We are definitely moving closer to the answers and there was some great character moments in the show along with a healthy dose of Charlie which really brought a healthy dose of Season 3 feeling to it.
9.1/10
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Excellent.
Always like stuff with Desmond, Charlie, Penny & Faraday.
Always like stuff with Desmond, Charlie, Penny & Faraday.
Average. A definite step down from the last two episodes and back to the previous episodes' quality this season.
With a series like LOST that tends to not linger on a scene for very long and jumps around quite a bit it baffles me why they chose to make us sit through some of the most labored scenes the show has ever done.
I never was a Charlie fan even though I loved "Greatest Hits" so all of his scenes with alt Desmond were plodding and totally uninvolving. I was tempted on several occasions to fast forward through them but I was afraid there might actually be something relevant but alas there wasn't. Instead we get annoying Charlie, crazy Charlie driving off into the marina, Desmond inside an MRI, Desmond running into Jack and Desmond chasing after Charlie in a hospital gown--YAAAAWN. I understod the story itself was necessary to get Desmond to come around to helping Widmore back in our universe but I think it could have been wrapped within a much more interesting story.
I love Eloise she's like the LOST version of Angela but alt Eloise scenes were a total waste. I'm still not into the alternate flash stories--haven't been all season--and this was no different. I guess the writers think it's fun for me to see if I can see all the differences between the two worlds of the characters like this Widmore offering this Desmond some of his liquor when he originally didn't or Dan being a member in Driveshaft is worth it or seeing old dead faces for a quick cameo is fun I would disagree. I thought it might be more interesting but it really wasn't--if you are going to dedicate one story to an episode make it interesting like Richard's a few episodes back or Heroes' "Company Man". Alternate reality stories can be loads of fun but it all comes down to how they are executed and shockingly LOST has made them mundane and a chore. I'm not sure where the story is going exactly--I'm guessing they are going to try to close the rift or some such thing--if so was seeing an alternate Penny or one person with Charlie really enough to have Des conclude it should be undone. It isn't like our Des' life is erased. It still exists as far as we know just simply existing right alongside this other one although I'm not sure why it wouldn't be something created with a diverging point when they didn't land on the island rather than a whole other alternate reality where Jack has a son, the Kwons never married etc. Doing it that way seems to undercut the whole question raised last season of whether they should change history. I guess they figure it is close enough.
I did like the idea though that Dan's theory that whatever happens happens and that in order to preserve our reality of how things always unfolded a secondary reality was created in the process or that's how I see it.
The best parts of the episode were at the very beginning and the very end but that really comprised very little of the hour and overall I was pretty bored which is so odd since it's been 3 years since I've said that about an episode of LOST--the Jack flashback to his tatto in season 3 and the Kate/Juliet episode also in season 3--every one since then up until this season was rock solid.
With a series like LOST that tends to not linger on a scene for very long and jumps around quite a bit it baffles me why they chose to make us sit through some of the most labored scenes the show has ever done.
I never was a Charlie fan even though I loved "Greatest Hits" so all of his scenes with alt Desmond were plodding and totally uninvolving. I was tempted on several occasions to fast forward through them but I was afraid there might actually be something relevant but alas there wasn't. Instead we get annoying Charlie, crazy Charlie driving off into the marina, Desmond inside an MRI, Desmond running into Jack and Desmond chasing after Charlie in a hospital gown--YAAAAWN. I understod the story itself was necessary to get Desmond to come around to helping Widmore back in our universe but I think it could have been wrapped within a much more interesting story.
I love Eloise she's like the LOST version of Angela but alt Eloise scenes were a total waste. I'm still not into the alternate flash stories--haven't been all season--and this was no different. I guess the writers think it's fun for me to see if I can see all the differences between the two worlds of the characters like this Widmore offering this Desmond some of his liquor when he originally didn't or Dan being a member in Driveshaft is worth it or seeing old dead faces for a quick cameo is fun I would disagree. I thought it might be more interesting but it really wasn't--if you are going to dedicate one story to an episode make it interesting like Richard's a few episodes back or Heroes' "Company Man". Alternate reality stories can be loads of fun but it all comes down to how they are executed and shockingly LOST has made them mundane and a chore. I'm not sure where the story is going exactly--I'm guessing they are going to try to close the rift or some such thing--if so was seeing an alternate Penny or one person with Charlie really enough to have Des conclude it should be undone. It isn't like our Des' life is erased. It still exists as far as we know just simply existing right alongside this other one although I'm not sure why it wouldn't be something created with a diverging point when they didn't land on the island rather than a whole other alternate reality where Jack has a son, the Kwons never married etc. Doing it that way seems to undercut the whole question raised last season of whether they should change history. I guess they figure it is close enough.
I did like the idea though that Dan's theory that whatever happens happens and that in order to preserve our reality of how things always unfolded a secondary reality was created in the process or that's how I see it.
The best parts of the episode were at the very beginning and the very end but that really comprised very little of the hour and overall I was pretty bored which is so odd since it's been 3 years since I've said that about an episode of LOST--the Jack flashback to his tatto in season 3 and the Kate/Juliet episode also in season 3--every one since then up until this season was rock solid.
Excellent, excellent, excellent.
i think eloise had a hand in creating the alternate reality as a way to get daniel back.
to reverse what she had done in the past.
and i am begining to suspect penny in island reality may be dead and now that desmond has penny in the side reality he may fine with what eloise wants.
to reverse what she had done in the past.
and i am begining to suspect penny in island reality may be dead and now that desmond has penny in the side reality he may fine with what eloise wants.
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