Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

[Campe]

#triggered. Captain Lorca hit too close to home it seems...............

Beat me to it! I was going to paraphrase Han Solo though... "Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get the fanboys all riled up like that, huh, kid?"

I mean, come on... we Star Trek fans can take our show and ourselves way too damned seriously. The thing is: the majority of the people who are whining about the Klingons, the ships, the uniforms and now Isaac's unbelievably spot on commentary... they're going to watch it legally or not, they're going to post negatively on the interwebs about it, whether they really are bent out of shape about it or not because drama!!!, and they'll continue to dream of the days of Berman Trek.

Hate to break it to people: it's been twelve years. Rick Berman has more money than he knows what to do with. He doesn't care about you or Star Trek anymore. He's not coming back. It's a harsh reality that needs to be faced.

Trek has gone through so many changes. From Roddenberry to Bennett back to Roddenberry to Berman, Piller, Taylor, Behr and Braga, to Abrams and now to this new team. Star Trek has survived. It has endured. You may haven't liked every incarnation. I sure haven't. There are probably more episodes of Star Trek I dislike than like. But it continues.

And if I don't like Discovery, I'll say my peace and be done with it. This bullshit phenomenon of hate watching is a microcosm of the problems in the world we have today. We don't like something so we need to comment about it constantly.

On the internet of all places.

I've been guilty of it. Hell, I'm probably guilty of it right now but its inordinately frustrating to try to find some joy in this to find a vocal minority of people bashing a series they haven't seen at every turn. Come on, people, go outside! Read a book. Give your time to charity. Be creative. Stop getting so invested in things you hate. You're going to give yourself a coronary! There's a whole world out there of things to explore.

Off my soapbox now.

 

[BillJ]

I don't see the issue with Isaacs' having an opinion. I just don't care what it is. He's an actor, the only thing I care about is what is on the screen.

 

[GhostLoveScore]

I have a great idea. Set the show in 21st century, in 2017. Have all actors human (obviously). Set them to be co workers in the office, and let them talk about today's issues, homosexuality, morality... And call it Star Trek, obviously. Because anything with good lesson, no matter what it looks like, can be called Star Trek.

 

[Vger23]

This is one thing that I do not get why the childlike joy of watching something is actively championed against. That baffles me.

When I walked out of the theater from 09 or ST ID or Beyond, there was such a feeling of fun and enjoyment that I couldn't wait to share it with someone. Of course, the Internet is not a kind place for that

I feel the same way about Star Wars. Star Wars has never been this deep, philosophical tome to be bandied about by scholars. It's a child's story at its heart, designed to entertain and have fun with, and maybe touch on deeper facets of life. But, it always returns to that fun.

Despite my growing up, despite getting older, I too want to retain that kid experience when watching something. To allow that sense of wonder to filter the adult voice for just a moment, and not worry if others like it or not.

So, I like TFA because it made me feel like a kid again. I like the Kelvin films for the same reason, and the adult me can appreciate the artistry of the story. I just watched the 5th Pirates movie, and that is a film to make me feel like a kid while tugging on the adult heart strings.

Incidentally, this is why I don't like GoT. GoT has the appearance of grim seriousness that come across as very adult, and if you don't get it then "sucks to be you". There is no joy in exploring that world, no sense of adventure, and no fantasy feeling of fun.

Yes, DSC might be more "adult" in its sensibilities but I'm looking forward to the adventure.

It's more personal experience than anything else

You're so right. That's part of the "gold experiences" of being a fan, isn't it? If I could recapture that feeling of being a kid/teen excited about the next Trek film or about the premier of TNG or DS9...man...that's the good stuff!

 

[Vger23]

I don't think it is that, either. In fact, I don't think they even hate the show.

What it comes down to is the desire to feel victimized by the big bad "Powers That Be". Being able to cry out about being victimized, or insulted, appalled, or otherwise have their rights trampled on is the new thing that seemingly almost everyone wants to be part of these days.

Being victimized enough to complain about the entity who victimized/made them feel appalled/insulted them (either themselves or on the behalf of others) seems to be a way of life for some people, because being victimized (or voicing victimization on the behalf of others) makes them feel special. I think there are some people out there who just try too hard to find a reason to be able to feel special.

I agree to a large extent...but I also don't buy this as the ultimate explanation. This kind of behavior has been going on for a long time.

I just found Starlog magazine archived somewhere on the inter webs, and some woman back in 1982 had written a letter about how "enraged" she was after watching "Star Trek II- The Wrath of Khan," talking about how Star Trek is not all about action and special effects and blah blah blah blah.

 

[KennyB]

I agree to a large extent...but I also don't buy this as the ultimate explanation. This kind of behavior has been going on for a long time.

I just found Starlog magazine archived somewhere on the inter webs, and some woman back in 1982 had written a letter about how "enraged" she was after watching "Star Trek II- The Wrath of Khan," talking about how Star Trek is not all about action and special effects and blah blah blah blah.

Yup the internet is great, but I kinda miss the days when so many ignorant people did not have a voice........

 

[Vger23]

The visual representation of what has happened here:

 

[uniderth]

I think all this talk about "TruFans" (I both hate and love that name) being enraged for pointing out they are irrelevant is kind of a strawman. At least for me I already acknowledge that I'm irrelevant regarding Star Trek productions. I know my opinion doesn't matter to them. That doesn't make me mad. It's just the way life is. But this thing is that I can make a production I disagree with just as irrelevant to me by not watching it or acknowledging it. I've never watched the JJTrek movies nor to I acknowledge them, I don't acknowledge Enterprise. Those productions are as irrelevant to me as I am to Star Trek producers.

How many people really are really against change and how many are simply against what they see as drastic change to the prime universe? I can't help but think that 60% of the complaints would have been erased if they simply called the show a reboot that will still use some of the canon from the older shows.

For me if they called it a reboot I would complain that we don't need a reboot. And I would give the production even less of a chance. So it wouldn't change for me except that my arguments would be less about the specifics of the show and more about the show's existence in general.

@Roald were you active on the board during Enterprise? There had to be 10-15 people every week that hate watched that show and spent hours posting about everything they hated about it. That was one of the reasons I took a 10 year break from the TBBS.......seems like it was much more negative back then.

Oh man. It's like we have the same story, but opposite. I never (hate) watched Enterprise. But I was completely anti-Enterprise on the back in the day. I don't recall if it was on these boards or the old Star Trek forums. Then because of the growing acceptance of Enterprise I dropped out of Star Trek fandom for several years.

 

[KennyB]

I think all this talk about "TruFans" (I both hate and love that name) being enraged for pointing out they are irrelevant is kind of a strawman. At least for me I already acknowledge that I'm irrelevant regarding Star Trek productions. I know my opinion doesn't matter to them. That doesn't make me mad. It's just the way life is. But this thing is that I can make a production I disagree with just as irrelevant to me by not watching it or acknowledging it. I've never watched the JJTrek movies nor to I acknowledge them, I don't acknowledge Enterprise. Those productions are as irrelevant to me as I am to Star Trek producers.



For me if they called it a reboot I would complain that we don't need a reboot. And I would give the production even less of a chance. So it wouldn't change for me except that my arguments would be less about the specifics of the show and more about the show's existence in general.



Oh man. It's like we have the same story, but opposite. I never (hate) watched Enterprise. But I was completely anti-Enterprise on the back in the day. I don't recall if it was on these boards or the old Star Trek forums. Then because of the growing acceptance of Enterprise I dropped out of Star Trek fandom for several years.

Did you ever watch it?

 

[uniderth]

Did you ever watch it?

I did watch Enterprise probably in 2010ish(maybe) through "alternative means."

 

[Roald]

(...) how "enraged" she was after watching "Star Trek II- The Wrath of Khan,"

The good days... when people would judge something after watching, not before...

 

[Vger23]

Did you ever watch it?

I didn't watch ENT much when it first came out. It just didn't interest me too much (for all the stated reasons) at the time.

That said, I've since re-visited it in full, and I find it to be quite entertaining. it's amazing what some separation will do.

Also- despite my not really finding it too appealing...I still watched it for the complete 1st season and I didn't rage on the interwebs like a TruFan.

 

[Kemaiku]

I did watch Enterprise probably in the 2010s(maybe) through "alternative means."

Don't criticise something you "stole" then maybe.

 

[Vger23]

The good days... when people would judge something after watching, not before...

Very true...very true.

 

[Roald]

I've never watched the JJTrek movies nor to I acknowledge them

This is just bizarre... On what basis do you not acknowledge them then?? Here say, reviews,...?

 

[uniderth]

Don't criticise something you "stole" then maybe.

I was criticizing Enterprise long before I watched it(which is not an admission as to which alternative method I used to watch the series). There was enough information about there about the content of a series that accurate criticisms were possible without first watching it.

This is just bizarre... On what basis do you not acknowledge them then?? Here say, reviews,...?

Plot synopsis, a couple clips here and there, photos, I've read parts of the script. Basically Spock goes back in time to a parallel universe and that's an excuse to ignore all the rest of established Star Trek and insert wow-bazinga-'muh-lenzflairs visuals.

I really don't care about an alternative timeline Kirk and crew. I want to see the ones we saw in Star Trek.

 

[GhostLoveScore]

Don't criticise something you "stole" then maybe.

Stole? Exactly what is stealing? In my case, I copied DVD's from my friend that contained Voyager recorded from TV. I paid for TV subscription. I pay it every month regardless what I watch. I didn't watch Star Trek when it was on TV so I copied it from my friend.

 

[Amaris]

I was criticizing Enterprise long before I watched it(which is not an admission as to which alternative method I used to watch the series). There was enough information about there about the content of a series that accurate criticisms were possible without first watching it.

Then why do you post on a Star Trek message board, in forums of shows you don't watch or plan on watching? More importantly, why should anyone take any time at all to consider anything you post as a result of your denial of actual shows that have been produced and by which you pretend never existed? It would be utterly fruitless to have any kind of discussion with you at all, as a result.

Stole? Exactly what is stealing? In my case, I copied DVD's from my friend that contained Voyager recorded from TV. I paid for TV subscription. I pay it every month regardless what I watch. I didn't watch Star Trek when it was on TV so I copied it from my friend.

Is that like when a friend just so happened to buy you a ticket and made you see the Star Trek movie you really super hate?

 

[Vger23]

I have to be honest- being on this forum has given me hope for Star Trek fans. It seems like the great majority (even people who are being very cautious about their expectations) are handling this whole "Discovery is coming!!!" situation very maturely and with perspective, at least compared to the past.

Is it possible we've learned from our own history finally?

 

[Jedi_Master]

I was criticizing Enterprise long before I watched it(which is not an admission as to which alternative method I used to watch the series). There was enough information about there about the content of a series that accurate criticisms were possible without first watching it.



Plot synopsis, a couple clips here and there, photos, I've read parts of the script. Basically Spock goes back in time to a parallel universe and that's an excuse to ignore all the rest of established Star Trek and insert wow-bazinga-'muh-lenzflairs visuals.

I really don't care about an alternative timeline Kirk and crew. I want to see the ones we saw in Star Trek.

It is possible to get the basics of a story from a plot synopsis, I will grant you that. But in the end, any judgment based on a show or film needs to have a firm foundation - it needs to be set on an actual viewing, not an accumulation of bits and pieces.