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Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

'Hate-watching'? Wow... :wtf:

That does indeed sound like a self-damaging dead-end activity, if ever there was one.

I wish I had more time to simply 'watch', as there often isn't enough hours in a week/fortnight for that to occur...
 
It's funny, in a way. They are doing to Star Trek what Borg was doing in the star trek. Forcing some new style, and saying "resistance is futile", "from this show on, you will adapt to like our vision of star trek"
 
Why? They clearly think that the visual style of past shows isn't good, and instead of doing something else, they change it just because they think it will be better.
 
Serveaux said:
"Hate-watching" is a moronic and self-damaging activity.
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You're spot on there Den! Such is the reason I abstained from watching the movies after ST09.
I would have to say that an equally self damaging activity is perpetually hunting the white whale of 'canon' and Berman era trek.
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You know the whale always wins - I would just say all hating is useless.
 
kirk55555 said:
I'm not going to actively avoid his stuff, but he's no longer an actor that I'm interested in seeing on shows or in movies.
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Because he said one thing you don't like?

Would you agree that you've said stupid things on this forum before (Spoiler: You have, you've even apologized for silly posts in the past.)? Do you think everybody should judge you based on one comment they didn't like?

You're always so quick to judge and condemn, it's quite a sight.
 
Fans will have to adjust, just like I had to with DS9, but I hope there won't be too many differences with canon 'just because they could'.
 
Change is inevitable. The new supplants the old. To fight it is to be the rock in the stream.

I enjoy science fiction. I will enjoy this show whenever I see it. I think it will rank high as one the best series because it is being made now when television shows are incredibly good.
 
We always thought that it was now in the past, and we were always wrong, and likely we will be wrong this time too.
 
In this sub forum at least, Discovery gets more positive posts the negative from what I've seen.

I don't go actively looking for Discovery posts outside of the sub forum though. So it could be more negative out there.
 
How many people really are really against change and how many are simply against what they see as drastic change to the prime universe? I can't help but think that 60% of the complaints would have been erased if they simply called the show a reboot that will still use some of the canon from the older shows. Then you toss out other issues such as Fuller being fired. I think you also see a divide between fans who still enjoy Trek and those who have grown tired of Trek. It seems the biggest supporters are from people who simply want a cool new space opera and the Trek stuff is just added flavor and those who still want the shared universe feeling that developed from the Berman era. I think it's also interesting if the show is bad it will be the biggest defenders who bail first over the biggest complainers. Does this count as irony?

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
I can't help but think that 60% of the complaints would have been erased if they simply called the show a reboot............
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Nope.......I really hate to say it, but haters gonna hate. The same ones would be bitching about it being a reboot.

This isn't my first rodeo. I hated that bald French guy. I hated the look of the Enterprise D (too damn curvy). I wasn't sure about making Starbuck and Boomer women. I refused to watch DS9.

Now Sisko is my favorite. Starbuck and Boomer kicked ass. The French guy turned out OK. I still don't like Enterprise D though. What have I learned? As a fan I have no idea WHAT I want. All I know is that by the end of the BSG pilot I was chanting "SO SAY WE ALL" back to Adama.
 
Jax said:
Sadly there's one or two in every part of this forum, people who hate watch for whatever reason. If I don't like something, I won't watch, STD included.
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Hate watching isn't so bad. It can help you to sort of get some of your disapointment out if you feel like something has been ruined that you had previously loved, then there is the Mystery Science Theater 3000 fun of being able to make fun of bad tv/movies.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Hate watching isn't so bad. It can help you to sort of get some of your disapointment out if you feel like something has been ruined that you had previously loved, then there is the Mystery Science Theater 3000 fun of being able to make fun of bad tv/movies.

Jason
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Hate-watching (a term I had never heard of before kirk55555 had brought it up) implies that you watch something that you are determined to hate, it implies that you have decided, beforehand, that you're going to hate something. The people who do this are self-proclaimed 'Über-Trekkies that stand by Gene's vision', but preconceptions and prejudice go against everything Gene ever stood for. I know we should all be open and kind to one another here, and I believe in that and I will live by that, but man: hating something you haven't seen yet is, as Spock would say, illogical. So I really hope that even the greatest pessimist will watch the pilot with an open mind and make judgment after actually seeing it.

Come to think of it, is there a thing as 'hate-eating'; someone who goes to a restaurant, orders something he has never eaten before, and proclaims beforehand 'I am hating this!' Wouldn't the people around him ask him: why did you order something you hate? And after he says 'I've never tried this before', wouldn't they ask back: but shouldn't you try it first before claiming you hate it?' If that person would then say 'no, 'cause it's got these green things on it and it's got this weird shape, so I'm hating this!' Then (if they're patient enough) the people would ask: 'But isn't about the taste and the way it's prepared: the flavours, the aroma, the combination of spices? You should really try it!' The guy then replies with: 'No, 'cause these green things and the shape are more than enough information for me, I've made up my mind: I HATE this!' He then takes a bite, walks away and leaves... only to come back the next week and repeat this cycle. Sounds crazy? ;)
 
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Roald said:
Hate-watching (a term I had never heard of before kirk55555 had brought it up) implies that you watch something that you are determined to hate, it implies that you have decided, beforehand, that you're going to hate something. The people who do this are self-proclaimed 'Über-Trekkies that stand by Gene's vision', but preconceptions and prejudice go against everything Gene ever stood for. I know we should all be open and kind to one another here, and I believe in that and I will live by that, but man: hating something you haven't seen yet is, as Spock would say, illogical. So I really hope that even the greatest pessimist will watch the pilot with an open mind and make judgment after actually seeing it.

Come to think of it, is there a thing as 'hate-eating'; someone who goes to a restaurant, orders something he has never eaten before, proclaims beforehand 'I am hating this!' and THEN starts eating. Wouldn't the people around him ask him: why did he order something he hate? And after he says 'I've never tried this before', wouldn't they ask back: but shouldn't you try it first before claiming you hate it?' If that person would then say 'no, 'cause it's got these green things on it and it's got this weird shape, so I'm hating this!' Then (if they're patient enough) the people would ask: 'But isn't about the taste and the way it's prepared: the flavours, the aroma, the combination of spices? You should really try it!' The guy then replies with: 'No, 'cause these green things and the shape are more then enough information for me, I've made up my mind: I HATE this!' He then takes a bite, walks away and leaves... only to come back the next week and repeat this cycle. Sounds crazy? ;)
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Everyone has to start somewhere. I mean, I'm as baffled by "hate watching" as you, but so what? It's their time and apparently you can be quite successful at it now in life.

As much as I agree that going in with an open mind is a positive thing, let's face it-rarely do we do so. There is a trend of having to comment on something before it even occurs now, with hyper-reactivity, and an almost adolescent style rage ("My life is ruined!") to what is different.

Besides, hate is rarely logical ;)
 
Roald said:
Hate-watching (a term I had never heard of before kirk55555 had brought it up) implies that you watch something that you are determined to hate, it implies that you have decided, beforehand, that you're going to hate something. ?
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@Roald were you active on the board during Enterprise? There had to be 10-15 people every week that hate watched that show and spent hours posting about everything they hated about it. That was one of the reasons I took a 10 year break from the TBBS.......seems like it was much more negative back then.
 
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