Curious--did you edit the cuts from scene to scene to match the music or did it just happen to fit that way?
One of my favorite Bear McCreary pieces. Too bad at times DS9's score interferes with it!
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Curious--did you edit the cuts from scene to scene to match the music or did it just happen to fit that way?
One of my favorite Bear McCreary pieces. Too bad at times DS9's score interferes with it!
I edited the cuts in a lot of places, but sometimes I didn't have to because it ended up syncing by itself. I had 13 minutes of footage that I edited down to nine and a half. I edited out the scene near the start where Garak was talking to Odo, and I edited out most of the Bashir and Jake scene so that the strings would kick in when Worf activates the weapons array. The scene where Sisko tells Martok to defend the Defiant actually came before the weapons were activated, but I had to move that to make it work. I wanted the Dominion to open fire right when the drums kick in at 3:53, but there wasn't enough footage so I put slow-motion on some of the effects shots leading up to it. I edited out some footage in Ops so that it was non-stop space battle while the drums were going. I then noticed that the music fit perfectly for the transition to the Defiant at 4:45. Going back to DS9 at 5:33 I used a shot of the station being fired upon that I used earlier but I mirrored it. The effects shot from 5:44 was actually edited out from the start of the battle but I added in there to make the "Worf, make every shot count" line make sense. This had the fortunate effect of syncing up the shots of the station's outer docking ring being attacked with the a trill in the music. The music "exploding" at the same time as the explosion in Ops was another coincidence, as was the music syncing with the activation of the minefield. After that I edited out a scene of Dukat and Weyoun arguing so that the music would sync with Sisko deciding to evacuate the station. The Worf/Jadzia scene was heavily edited. I thought I was going to have to edit Sisko's speech so that it fit in with the string piece in the music, but it turned out that it fit in perfectly. The final scenes of the Defiant leaving and Kira in Ops was heavily edited to fit with the track.
In all, it took about five hours.
Very nice...many of the transitions seemed quite seamless; I only caught a few abrupt ones.
You know, it's very interesting that we are comparing DS9's music to nuBSG's music, as if nuBSG was the one-and-only standard by which all other shows should be judged.
I like nuBSG, but if you ask me, the best scored scifi show ever is Babylon 5.
I like nuBSG, but if you ask me, the best scored scifi show ever is Babylon 5.
Besides, Star Trek and Star Wars do not pretend that space is silent. The drums are a little out of place with the sound effects.
I wasn't pretending that space is silent, I turned down the volume on the effects shots to drown out the music in the episode. In fact, I didn't mute those clips precisely because I wanted the SFX in there. I hate watching DS9 battle videos online where it is all music and no SFX. BSG doesn't do that either, there is constant SFX in space battles in that show. Perhaps you are thinking of Firefly?
As for B5, I've only seen the first four episodes before I gave up on it. Obviously I'm not an expert on the show, but the music seemed too synthesised for my tastes. I'm not opposed to synthesisers, one of the most powerful pieces of music I have ever heard is this one. Synthesised instruments playing simple tunes that overlap in the last minute to create a haunting complexity.
Yeah, I'm weird.
PS: I finished a video of Duet.
I really like the way BSG 'compromised' with the space sound effects and made them very subdued, as if you were hearing them underwater. It's like they were given the choice of going with drama and realism, and decided to split down the middle.
I was wryly making the point that space is silent. I think you're right about that, BSG treats space as a more real environment. Most people can't quite take silence, so there are very subdued sound effects, to which the sound environment created by the drums is a compliment. Also with the different, more conventional weapons, it's more realistic. Longs shots of relatively slow missiles hitting targets, etc., and the drums are very dramatic. Of course, I can only remember a few of the larger battles where nukes were used, long shots of chaotic skirmishes, and so on.
I do like the upbeat staccato strings in the slow dramatic pauses. I really like the BSG music.
I do like the upbeat staccato strings in the slow dramatic pauses. I really like the BSG music.
DS9 really came into focus for me and became my favorite show from S4 onwards. That's largely due to all the things that happened in that season and from that point on but also due to the music which, it seemed to me, was given a little more freedom. The score for "The Visitor" is particularly noticeable and powerful and came as a really pleasant surprise. But they also had somewhat more dramatic and suspenseful music used to build momentous events such as in The Way of the Warrior IIRC.
Later on, they built on that e.g. for episodes such as Call to Arms which had something like a Dominion or bad guy theme which was pretty cool. It gave all the events a lot more gravitas, I think, and the whole show a more epic feel.
Individual episodes that stood out to me (that I remember now) for their music include the following:
- The Visitor
- The Quickening
- Nor the Battle to the Strong (not quite sure about this one)
- In Purgatory's Shadow / By Inferno's Light
- Call to Arms
- Parts of the season six opening stretch (don't remember individual eps anymore)
- Far Beyond the Stars (though that's an exception anyway)
- In the Pale Moonlight
- Image in the Sand / Shadows and Symbols
- The Siege of AR-558
- Parts of the Final Chapter (again, I don't remember individual eps)
I thought David Bell was well as Paul Baillargeon. contributed some great music and were quite recognizable in their scores. I was never too fond of Chattaway's work, mind you.
Having said all that, I still think DS9 could have done so much more in terms of the music. For me, personally, music is very often the element that elevates a movie or a TV show beyond 'just' being great. My favorite movies, for example, all include a score that I really noticed when watching (e.g. Blade Runner, 2001, Donnie Darko, A Scanner Darkly).
nuBSG is my favorite TV show right now, and it has what I'd consider an excellent, exceptional score. It wouldn't be quite as special without it, and I don't know of any other TV show with music as remarkable as this. I agree that B5 had some great music but it's not really close IMHO plus, as someone else said, it's somewhat too synthetic for my liking.
It's interesting to see the DS9 scenes with the nuBSG music. However, I think DS9 would need music of its own to really fit (ok, that's no big surprise).
The first three seasons in particular would have benefitted enourmously from better music that was allowed to be an integral part of the show, I think.
Later on, they built on that e.g. for episodes such as Call to Arms which had something like a Dominion or bad guy theme which was pretty cool. It gave all the events a lot more gravitas, I think, and the whole show a more epic feel.
Individual episodes that stood out to me (that I remember now) for their music include the following:
- The Visitor
- The Quickening
- Nor the Battle to the Strong (not quite sure about this one)
- In Purgatory's Shadow / By Inferno's Light
- Call to Arms
- Parts of the season six opening stretch (don't remember individual eps anymore)
- Far Beyond the Stars (though that's an exception anyway)
- In the Pale Moonlight
- Image in the Sand / Shadows and Symbols
- The Siege of AR-558
- Parts of the Final Chapter (again, I don't remember individual eps)
I thought David Bell was well as Paul Baillargeon. contributed some great music and were quite recognizable in their scores. I was never too fond of Chattaway's work, mind you.
Having said all that, I still think DS9 could have done so much more in terms of the music. For me, personally, music is very often the element that elevates a movie or a TV show beyond 'just' being great. My favorite movies, for example, all include a score that I really noticed when watching (e.g. Blade Runner, 2001, Donnie Darko, A Scanner Darkly).
nuBSG is my favorite TV show right now, and it has what I'd consider an excellent, exceptional score. It wouldn't be quite as special without it, and I don't know of any other TV show with music as remarkable as this. I agree that B5 had some great music but it's not really close IMHO plus, as someone else said, it's somewhat too synthetic for my liking.
It's interesting to see the DS9 scenes with the nuBSG music. However, I think DS9 would need music of its own to really fit (ok, that's no big surprise).
The first three seasons in particular would have benefitted enourmously from better music that was allowed to be an integral part of the show, I think.
I agree that the nuBSG music doesn't quite fit, and I'm not advocating a largely taiko-drum score for any Star Trek series. I'm just doing these videos as a fun little comparison. Star Trek needs a sound that is uniquely its own, I just wish there was a more power to it.
Another favourite show of mine is Lost, and that too has a very unique sounding score. The best moment of that show is easily this one; Locke's score steadily builds up, I love that piece of music. I'm very happy in knowing that the same guy is doing to score for Star Trek XI. I hope he tries to do a unique and interesting score like James Horner did for TWOF and TSFS, I'd hate to think he might go for a generic action score.
Another favourite show of mine is Lost, and that too has a very unique sounding score. The best moment of that show is easily this one; Locke's score steadily builds up, I love that piece of music. I'm very happy in knowing that the same guy is doing to score for Star Trek XI. I hope he tries to do a unique and interesting score like James Horner did for TWOF and TSFS, I'd hate to think he might go for a generic action score.
The music was very synthesized in the first season. Franke never gave up the synthesizers in the next four years, but the sound changed dramatically (and for the better) in that time.
I still prefer BSG's music by a wide margin, but the music in Babylon 5 could be surprisingly effective later on, in spite of the budget.
Whoa, James Horner wrote the score for TWOK and TSFS? One of my favorite scores of all time is his score for Field of Dreams. I'll have to listen to those movies again.
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TWOK was apparently his first major film score, it was his big break. I really wish they had kept him around for the later films. His score makes the "Stealing the Enterprise" scene in TSFS into an absolute classic. If it wasn't for him it would just be a spaceship moving very slowly, his music made it an adventure.
all the trek movies had great music, but TWOK had my 2nd favourite. The "Enterprise clears all moorings" music is quintessential trek movie music to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeS0Eo8fAnw
in terms of my favourite trek music:
1. Jerry Goldsmith's TMP/TNG main theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqYg3q2pMm0
2. James Horner's TWOK as linked above
3. First Contact music again by Jerry Goldsmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w2pBJSgcGg
4. Generations music by Dennis McCarthy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-rojeE8iQ&feature=related
5. TOS intro music by Alexander Courage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyuHaY_VA9o
6. TUC music by Cliff Eidelman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lfYJZqTGVw
7. Voyager theme by Jerry Goldsmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrFF9tre6w
8. Enterprise S3-S4 intro by russell watson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLY5bNPg4eI
never was a big fan of the DS9 music or the original 'Faith of the Heart' -- both too slow
really, though, all the trek music is so grand and inspiring. love it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeS0Eo8fAnw
in terms of my favourite trek music:
1. Jerry Goldsmith's TMP/TNG main theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqYg3q2pMm0
2. James Horner's TWOK as linked above
3. First Contact music again by Jerry Goldsmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w2pBJSgcGg
4. Generations music by Dennis McCarthy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-rojeE8iQ&feature=related
5. TOS intro music by Alexander Courage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyuHaY_VA9o
6. TUC music by Cliff Eidelman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lfYJZqTGVw
7. Voyager theme by Jerry Goldsmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrFF9tre6w
8. Enterprise S3-S4 intro by russell watson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLY5bNPg4eI
never was a big fan of the DS9 music or the original 'Faith of the Heart' -- both too slow
really, though, all the trek music is so grand and inspiring. love it
If anyone is interested, I did one more video based off of Sacrifice of Angels. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArkbW6nthg
My two favourite SFX shots of all time are the shot where the Defiant leads the fleet into battle in this episode, and the shot from BSG of Galactica jumping into the atmosphere and falling to the ground. The chance to combine the two through music was too much for me to resist.
My two favourite SFX shots of all time are the shot where the Defiant leads the fleet into battle in this episode, and the shot from BSG of Galactica jumping into the atmosphere and falling to the ground. The chance to combine the two through music was too much for me to resist.
Very nice!
I didn't really appreciate that song at first, when I first got the Season 3 CD--I think because the pre-planned nature of the battle came through. But it's definitely grown on me...enough to where I'm using it to help drive the writing process of a space battle in my own fanfic: ironically, one from the "opposite" side.
I didn't really appreciate that song at first, when I first got the Season 3 CD--I think because the pre-planned nature of the battle came through. But it's definitely grown on me...enough to where I'm using it to help drive the writing process of a space battle in my own fanfic: ironically, one from the "opposite" side.
I had some free time so I did another one for Tears of the Prophets.
