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Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

Those two abused their relationship with Roddenberry. Was delighted to know both were kicked to the curb by Paramount when he passed.
Me too. I've met and spoke with Richard Arnold at cons here and there. Very nice man, great to talk with. However, I think it really went to his head when he was working for Roddenberry.
 
So ripping off Khan in almost every movie afterward was an original idea? How about "The Naked Now", which not only ripped off a TOS episode, but used part of the title!

Shall I continue?
But, you were okay with Star Trek: Nemesis badly ripping off STII:TWoK in 2002? ;) <--- It tried a more beat for beat 'by the numbers'm ripoff then STID (IMO). The entire Warp Reactor was more a homage and intentionally flipped version; but Spock had the emotional outburst because of what he himself felt when he Mind melded with Pike at the moment of Pike's death earlier in the film.

I also find it interesting some fans find Kirk's resurrection via Khan's magic blood (an d it's not like Bones have his body a shot of it and he snapped back to life, it was touch and go and he was in the hospital for weeks) more ridiculous then Spock's regeneration to a young boy because of a magic torpedo designed to work on a Planetary body; but somehow when exploded in a Nebula - it's software adjusted and managed to create BOTH a new star and a new planet. <--- Yeah, that really sounds 100% plausible...:wtf:
 
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But, you were okay with Star trek: Nemesis badly ripping off STII:TWoK in 2002? ;) <--- It tried a more beat for beat 'by the numbers'm ripoff then STID (IMO). The entire Warp Reactor was more a homage and intentinally flipped version; but Spock had the emotional outburst because of what he himself felt when he Mind melded with Pike at the moment of Pike's death earlier in the film.

I also find it interesting some fans find Kirk's resurrection via Khan's magic blood (an d it's not like Bones have his body a shot of it and he snapped back to life, it was touch and go and he was in the hospital for weeks) more ridiculous then Spock's regeneration to a young boy because of a magic torpedo designed to work on a Planetary body; but somehow when exploded in a Nebula - it's software adjusted and managed to create BOTH a new star and a new planet. <--- Yeah, that really sounds 100% plausible...:wtf:
Those are completely different...completely different.
 
Those are completely different...completely different.

For instance, they are from two totally different movies.

Wait, the Genesis Torpedo also created the star? How is it that it never occurred to me that there wasn't a star there before! Were there hundred page threads detailing this from the before time when I wasn't a board member?
 
So ripping off Khan in almost every movie afterward was an original idea? How about "The Naked Now", which not only ripped off a TOS episode, but used part of the title!

Shall I continue?
Why do people not seem to get that The Naked Now was an intentional remake? It wasn't like they were sneaky about it. They even reference the original episode in the episode. But 30 years later fans still complain that they did something crooked.

Me too. I've met and spoke with Richard Arnold at cons here and there. Very nice man, great to talk with. However, I think it really went to his head when he was working for Roddenberry.
Thank you for recognizing that both things are possible. (I haven't talked to him in nearly 30 years! Yikes!)
 
I also find it interesting some fans find Kirk's resurrection via Khan's magic blood (an d it's not like Bones have his body a shot of it and he snapped back to life, it was touch and go and he was in the hospital for weeks) more ridiculous then Spock's regeneration to a young boy because of a magic torpedo designed to work on a Planetary body; but somehow when exploded in a Nebula - it's software adjusted and managed to create BOTH a new star and a new planet. <--- Yeah, that really sounds 100% plausible...:wtf:
Latter is obviously way more ridiculous. But it was dramatically much (MUCH!) better.

(Also, I think the star at least was just some nearby star)

Wait, what was the topic?
 
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