Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

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  1. Sci-fi fan

    Sci-fi fan Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Especially on the 3rd episode most characters, even the leads are often depicted as extremely cranky like a regular crime show on any regular tv script. Roddenberry's vision is not a fixation, it's what genuinely made TNG a phenomenon.
     
  2. Mirror Mirror

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    We knew they ditched that silly rule months ago. To the celebration of many.
     
  3. Bad Thoughts

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    Don't care. Some of GR's ideas were clunkers.
     
  4. steam235

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    His vision wasn't so developed during TOS. it marinated for the 15 years he did the convention circuit after TOS had wrapped.

    TNG solidified the entire "Human had evolved" idea. but in TOS their still pretty normal rational humans as we know them. I don't see DSC very far off that.
     
  5. DigificWriter

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    Bullcrap.

    Discovery is perfectly in line with TOS*, DS9, VOY, and ENT as far as the way it depicts its characters and the ways in which they interact with one another and with the world(s) around them.

    TNG is actually the outlier here in that it presented a future that was TOO perfect.

    * And I say this as someone who hasn't even watched all that much TOS
     
  6. Vger23

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    I disagree. "Roddenberry's vision" is what held TNG back from being an even more impactful and memorable sci-fi drama than it already was. It's why, over time by my re-watching...DS9 and ENT have both surpassed it in my book.

    I'm glad we're not getting another TNG clone. The franchise needed to do something different than try to emulate the template of a 30-year old show.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    This is set before TOS, which had none of that "Roddenberry's vision" nonsense.

    Thank goodness.
     
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  8. Vger23

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    GET ON IT!!!
     
  9. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Premium Member

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    Gene is dead, times have changed, it's a new show for new people and leftovers like me.

    I don't say that without sympathy but,

    if TNG was the "vision" Gene had ( though I know that's debatable, just saying for sake of argument ) and that's what you like, then just go back and rewatch that.

    At some point Trek has to stop chasing and try something new, and this is at least "newish" if not entirely new, but at least it aint chasing TNG.

    And when I get the TNG fix, i'll just go put that on play.
     
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  10. KirkusOveractus

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    While this series so far has gone against the grain of what we know as episodic Star Trek, as well as some of the setting and characters not being what we're used to, it has some elements of what we do know as Star Trek.

    "Roddenberry's Vision" was something fed to him by hangers-on and yes people, telling him about this bright, utopian future he created. It's more made up by those around him than Roddenberry himself, and it manifested itself in TNG, where everyone was perfect and not realistic.
     
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  11. GeekUSACarl

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    On a purely logical note.

    Gene's vision was of this particular future society.

    do we really think Gene's vision of this society would be this drastically different, just a small amount of years earlier? I think it's safe to say if we were purely following the logic, there "would" be the expectation that the Federation is a fair bit similar if only separated by a few years.
     
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  13. DigificWriter

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    Nah.

    I prefer my Star Trek to be more serialized... hence why DS9 and VOY are my two favorite series, and why I'm enjoying DSC as much as I am.
     
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  14. Mirror Mirror

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    I am not a big fan of TOS either
     
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  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    TOS had examples of racist Starfleet characters. Come STVI, Gene hated the idea of Kirk and other Starfleet officers being racist against Klingons because he'd decided in the 20 years inbetween that his future humans were beyond all that.

    His vision of the future changed.
     
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    Honestly, I find it more rewarding when Starfleet officers have to fight their way through the imoral to uphold their ideals. I think this will be a story abotu Michael redeeming herself, and her Starfleet ideals, and it will be so much more meaning ful that she does it with a captain like Lorca.
     
  18. Borgminister

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    Everything within the context of the times. I definitely think TOS is more than worth watching all the way through, but to each their own...
     
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    Agreed. I *love* TNG (and our man Gene), but IMO it succeeded in spite of some of Roddenberry's edicts.

    Discovery presents an opportunity to see how some deeply flawed but perhaps idealistic people strive to do better, against the impossible. That's a more compelling storytelling environment, IMO.
     
  20. Tesophius

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    I agree and it's already turning fans away from even watching this iteration of "Star Trek" any further. In the previous Trek series the nature of the characters created a distinct impression that we were watching people from the far future, in this Trek I'm seeing same boring characters that surround us in 2017.
     
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