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Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

Bullcrap.

Discovery is perfectly in line with TOS*, DS9, VOY, and ENT as far as the way it depicts its characters and the ways in which they interact with one another and with the world(s) around them.

TNG is actually the outlier here in that it presented a future that was TOO perfect.

* And I say this as someone who hasn't even watched all that much TOS
Agreed. I do NOT want another show like TNG. A ship of insufferable know it alls on a bland bridge with no conflict between the crew would not work today. Leave that garbage in the 80s.

I'm still peaved that Enterprise's finale was ruined because the powers that be decided to turn it into a TNG holographic show. I might not agree with everything that's happening right now, but at least this writing team is daring to be different and the cast has a spark of life to them.
 
I think that's part of my problem with her, this particular trope has been beaten to death on Trek.

Yeah, she was clearly designed by committee, trying to figure out the thread that all the "breakout characters" in Trek history had. Spock, Data, Worf, arguably Odo - they were all either torn between two worlds, outsiders with their own unique perspective on human culture, or both.

That said, the same sort of design by committee happened with many characters in Trek history. They don't tend to have auspicious beginnings, even if they end up something special.
 
I thought Burnham started out well - I liked how she played a human raised on Vulcan in most of the first ep - but she was derailed by that one big decision.

Sure, other Trek characters have flagrantly disobeyed orders, even when not possessed by alien entities, but in some cases I was more sold on their motivations, or at least more sold that they had motivations I just hadn't seen as they weren't THE main character.
 
Is there any reason not to? She seems like a perfectly nice person who made a horrifying mistake out of fear.
Which means she should not be First Officer on a Starship. And I saw more than one mistake being made, in the form of disobeying orders, assaulting a Captain, distraction of a ship's crew on two occasions at least.
 
Which means she should not be First Officer on a Starship. And I saw more than one mistake being made, in the form of disobeying orders, assaulting a Captain, distraction of a ship's crew on two occasions at least.

Choosing to land on the artifact instead of doing recon and going home was also a mistake, but the more normal sort many Trek officers have made over the years.
 
I suspect there may be more narrative coming that will fill in the lead up to that pivotal action.
 
Choosing to land on the artifact instead of doing recon and going home was also a mistake, but the more normal sort many Trek officers have made over the years.
Yes, that one mistake I could see most Trek characters doing. But then she compounded it from there (oh I forgot to mention her pulling rank on her Captain by saying her service record demands her request be followed, or some such hogwash).
 
Choosing to land on the artifact instead of doing recon and going home was also a mistake, but the more normal sort many Trek officers have made over the years.

But panicking and skewering the Torchbearer (instead of just flying away), and then killing T'Whothehellcares, shows that she has no business sitting in the center seat.
 
You do your growing in a lower position, not as the one due to command a ship if something happens to your commanding officer or set to command a ship of your own.
Perhaps she is the origin of the Kobayashi Maru?

Also, there are certain aspects of leadership that will not be shown unless under stress.
 
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