Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

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  1. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    They have not yet given me a reason to care what happens to Burnham.
     
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  2. ichab

    ichab Commodore Commodore

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    Agreed. I do NOT want another show like TNG. A ship of insufferable know it alls on a bland bridge with no conflict between the crew would not work today. Leave that garbage in the 80s.

    I'm still peaved that Enterprise's finale was ruined because the powers that be decided to turn it into a TNG holographic show. I might not agree with everything that's happening right now, but at least this writing team is daring to be different and the cast has a spark of life to them.
     
  3. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    Daring to be dull, yep.
     
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  4. fireproof78

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    I'm not 100% invested in Burnham, but I'm definitely intrigued by the consequences of her actions.

    Must be the parent in me ;)
     
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  5. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah, she was clearly designed by committee, trying to figure out the thread that all the "breakout characters" in Trek history had. Spock, Data, Worf, arguably Odo - they were all either torn between two worlds, outsiders with their own unique perspective on human culture, or both.

    That said, the same sort of design by committee happened with many characters in Trek history. They don't tend to have auspicious beginnings, even if they end up something special.
     
  6. Mirror_Barclay

    Mirror_Barclay Commander Red Shirt

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    I thought Burnham started out well - I liked how she played a human raised on Vulcan in most of the first ep - but she was derailed by that one big decision.

    Sure, other Trek characters have flagrantly disobeyed orders, even when not possessed by alien entities, but in some cases I was more sold on their motivations, or at least more sold that they had motivations I just hadn't seen as they weren't THE main character.
     
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    Charles Phipps Commodore Commodore

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    Is there any reason not to? She seems like a perfectly nice person who made a horrifying mistake out of fear.
     
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    I care. I just find myself caring more about the fates of Saru, Sylvia Tilly and Captain Lorca at this stage.
     
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  9. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Commodore Commodore

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    Which means she should not be First Officer on a Starship. And I saw more than one mistake being made, in the form of disobeying orders, assaulting a Captain, distraction of a ship's crew on two occasions at least.
     
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  10. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Choosing to land on the artifact instead of doing recon and going home was also a mistake, but the more normal sort many Trek officers have made over the years.
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Which means she has some growing to do.
     
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    seigezunt Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I suspect there may be more narrative coming that will fill in the lead up to that pivotal action.
     
  13. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Commodore Commodore

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    Yes, that one mistake I could see most Trek characters doing. But then she compounded it from there (oh I forgot to mention her pulling rank on her Captain by saying her service record demands her request be followed, or some such hogwash).
     
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    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I find myself hoping we see a pachyderm crewperson at some point, so we can use the phrase "talk about the elephant in the room" in more and varied ways. :D
     
  15. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Commodore Commodore

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    You do your growing in a lower position, not as the one due to command a ship if something happens to your commanding officer or set to command a ship of your own.
     
  16. BillJ

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    But panicking and skewering the Torchbearer (instead of just flying away), and then killing T'Whothehellcares, shows that she has no business sitting in the center seat.
     
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  17. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Commodore Commodore

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    His name will be Gene, with psychic abilities, thus having visions.
     
  18. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I like the idea, but everyone knows that Gene is a bird, not an elephant. ;)
     
  19. fireproof78

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    Perhaps she is the origin of the Kobayashi Maru?

    Also, there are certain aspects of leadership that will not be shown unless under stress.
     
  20. eschaton

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    The more I think about it, the most inexplicable mistake was Georgiou promoting her to XO without a Startfleet education and less than seven years of field experience.
     
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