Kobayashi Maru is already a test at Starfleet at this point. 10 years before Kirk takes command, he's about 24 and more than likely has taken the test already.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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Two things:
1. We don't know that an education at the Vulcan Science Academy in preparation for joining the Vulcan Expeditionary Force isn't the equivalent of a Starfleet Academy education - and I have reason to suspect that it is. And she probably graduated as the equivalent of at least a Lieutenant - maybe even a Lieutenant Commander.
2. That's a lot longer than Cadet Kirk had to become Captain over in the nuVerse, and they shouldn't be *that* divergent.
Two things:
1. We don't know that an education at the Vulcan Science Academy in preparation for joining the Vulcan Expeditionary Force isn't the equivalent of a Starfleet Academy education - and I have reason to suspect that it is. And she probably graduated as the equivalent of at least a Lieutenant - maybe even a Lieutenant Commander.
2. That's a lot longer than Cadet Kirk had to become Captain over in the nuVerse, and they shouldn't be *that* divergent.
One presumes that all the Vulcan Science Academy teaches is academics. Normal training that Vulcans undergo to ensure they have control of their emotions is likely sufficient to ensure they have the "right stuff" for command. In contrast, I'm sure Starfleet cares not just about an officer being smart, but having a personality which is suited for the job.
I think this series fits well in line most of Trek, ESPECIALLY with TNG.
We're basically watching Ensign Ro as the lead on Admiral Pressman's USS Pegasus.
We're basically watching Ensign Ro as the lead on Admiral Pressman's USS Pegasus.
Its a Starfleet tradition, nuKirk is promoted after 3 years education and 1 day of experience. No wonder 'smart' Vulcans never join.
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I'm sure Matt Decker took the Kobyashi Maru test. I didn't do him a lick of good.
They need a better test, after meeting the planet killer and other strange aliens, Kirk should have told the academy commandant the test is redundant
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The Kobyashi Maru was a gimmick. Who needs to prove that they can die with dignity? And what organization would be able to keep knowledge of such a test under wraps even before the internet came into being?
I don't think it's too much of a gimmick. If all training scenarios are possible to win, that is a poor representation of real life. As Picard said, "it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose". That's the lesson the Kobayashi Maru is trying to teach, and it's an important one for a leader to understand, because it not only attacks their own hubris, it allows them to realise that bad outcomes do not necessarily mean their staff screwed up.
Now, as usual, Trek fans and then, through positive feedback, Trek itself, obsesses over and constantly revisits its cool ideas. See Exhibit A: Section 31. The test was valuable and a good plot point in TWOK. But it became overused, over-referenced and tired.
Spock never took the test so either
1. It was not around when he joined Starfleet
2. He went to a different non-military school
3. It was restricted to command track only (which makes no sense since he was qualified to a be a first officer, and any officer can take command of a ship under extreme situations.)
1. It was not around when he joined Starfleet
2. He went to a different non-military school
3. It was restricted to command track only (which makes no sense since he was qualified to a be a first officer, and any officer can take command of a ship under extreme situations.)
Or 4. it was just one test among many, and it was used by some teachers but not by others.
She didn't pull rank - she mentioned that the Captain should remember her 'success rate' when following her recommendations over the past 7 years. Spock occasionally made similar comments to Kirk and McCoy on occasion.
She was way out of line and a mutineer once she executed what was ultimately a failed Vulcan Neck Pinch (that put the Captain out all of 1 minute); and tried to get the crew to fire on T'Kuvma's ship; but prior to that her comment wasn't 'pulling rank.'
The Kobyashi Maru was not a test of adversity or hardship. It was not a test in difficulty. There was no "Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em" lesson where the individual came understand that winning was not an option. According to Kirk, "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." The test--as much as it is a test rather than a beat-down--is designed to instill some sort of metaphysical consciousness, not to steel the individual.
David Lynch's Dune "Navigators".I find myself hoping we see a pachyderm crewperson at some point, so we can use the phrase "talk about the elephant in the room" in more and varied ways.
They were elephants who traveled with their own rooms.
Says the guy with a username of a character of a show that rips off Star Trek episodes.
I got one:
Worf and Spock share an NYC Central Park West apartment. Each week we see crazy antics created by their clashing personalities and their wacky friends -- such as Murray the Cop, the Pigeon Sisters, and others.
What on earth does your remark have to do with his? Because The Orville pays heavy homage to TNG and the rest of Trek (which it makes no bones about doing) that somehow invalidates his opinion on Burnham's character in DSC? Huh? That makes no sense.
Well, first, because of his username, his comment doesn't seem very objective. IMO it borders on trolling. And second, out of five episodes, The Orville has ripped off four Star Trek stories. It's not an homage, it's complete ripoff.
How many times has Trek ripped itself off?
