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Less Discussed Star Powers

Several less discussed powers are of interest.

- The Suliban Cabal. They had the reputation of attacking Tandaran ships and colonies to the point that it resulted in innocent Suliban being interned. They also managed to be engaged in a conflict with the Tholians (who themselves managed to take out a Vulcan combat cruiser) and were in conflict with the Klingons. And originally the Suliban were supposed to be encountered by Voyager in the Delta Quadrant before they were placed on Enterprise instead.

Since we never knew where exactly their homeworld was or how it became uninhabitable, it would be interesting if it was around or on the Beta/Delta Quadrant border.

- Nausicaans – for all the critiques that the Klingons are too macho to be in space, it should go double for the Nausicaans. They seem to be everywhere and yet it’s a mystery as to how that is possible. At least the Klingons are rooted in imperial conquest and thus have a drive to head to the stars, and are noted to have scientists and lawyers. What motivated the Nausicaans?

- Enolians- how do you run a prison planet and have so many falsely detained prisoners when there is so much obvious space crime going on? The Klingons seem to have a fairer legal system. Do the Orion and Rigelian crime syndicates not operate in this sector? And how did the Vulcans not have influence over the Enolians, considering how they managed to reign in crime and corruption on Aragon and Mazar.

- Satarrans – managing to wipe the minds of the crew of the Federation flagship to wipe out their enemy the Lysians, who used lasers. Definitely a lot of questions here, considering that the Orions and Ferengi exist and would sell them weapons.

- Hunters – they hunt down Tosk’s species and seem to have avoided being absorbed into the Dominion. And if they are a part of the Dominion, they surely weren’t a part of the fighting.

Another one would be the Vissians. Met by Archer's Enterprise in the 22nd century, their home planet was only 25 light years from where they met, so for 24th century standards they would have been very close to the Federation (if not actually surrounded by it). Highly advanced too, their technology was superior to the 24th century Federation in at least a few aspects. They seemed quite peaceful too, it's just that first contact was screwed up.

They are another one. They are 200 – 300 years ahead technology wise during Enterprise. By TNG, the Vissians should have the equivalent of 27th century Federation tech and be experimenting with timeships. And in the 29th century, the Vissians should have 32nd century Federation tech in the form of programmable matter and transporter comms badges. Its kind of strange that they were never seen or referenced again in universe, particularly in DIS, since first contact was only a century prior.

Though we saw & heard more about them on DS9, I still think they’re closer to Romulan territory. That old Romulan saying about ‘never turning your back on a Breen’ I think comes from an ancient rivalry or betrayal, maybe from during the Earth-Romulan War — that could help explain how the upstart humans defeated a near 2000 year spacefaring race.

Does the saying have to originate during the Earth-Romulan War? There was a period where the Romulans once again withdrew into its borders after the Tomed Incident in 2311 to attend to more urgent matters. The Breen would count as such “urgent matters” and could be where the saying came from.
 
What aliens would you put ahead of the Federation technologically?

Here’s my incomplete list in this order:

Children of Tama
Dominion
Vissians
First Federation
Aldeans
Cytherians
Voth
Kelvans
Borg
8472
Travelers
Metrons
Organians
Douwd
Q

EDIT: I could go either way with the Vissians being more advanced than the Dominion. They had advanced tech in the 22nd century yet they weren’t heard from again — esp during the Dominion War. (This is concerning in-universe; in the real world ENT hadn’t come around till long after DS9 wrapped.) They were either too advanced to care about the Dominion, or they maybe stagnated over the centuries — maybe due to internal social problems regarding the cogenitors — and were outpaced by the cooperative Federation, let alone the millennia old (if stagnant) Dominion.
 
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Well if we're going by interstellar powers definitely the Voth, Species 8472 (not really stellar but), and Kelvan Empire. In terms of super-advanced single planet races, there's the Lactrans. Some people mentioned the race that kidnapped Wesley and the other kids as being advanced, I just don't remember. The Vedala have been mentioned as well, though they may well be in the UFP for all we know.
 
Aren't the Caitians part of the Federation?
Oh yeah. I kind of misunderstood the thread. Thought it was just lesser discussed races in general

I imagine those Legarans that Sarek had all kinds of dealings with had to be influential in some way
 
They are another one. They are 200 – 300 years ahead technology wise during Enterprise. By TNG, the Vissians should have the equivalent of 27th century Federation tech and be experimenting with timeships. And in the 29th century, the Vissians should have 32nd century Federation tech in the form of programmable matter and transporter comms badges. Its kind of strange that they were never seen or referenced again in universe, particularly in DIS, since first contact was only a century prior.

I would think they were more than 200-300 years ahead when they met. They invented warp a thousand years ago in Archer's time. They have shields that allow ships to dive in the photosphere - the experimental metaphasic shield of Ferengi scientist dr. Reyga in the late 24th century can only go into the corona. Neither do I think the Borg-enhanced Delta Flyer could dip into a star. Federation science knows 246 elements by the time of Voyager season 1 -possibly many of them only artificially created, just like in our time-, but the the Vissians use polymers that consist of 'more than 200 naturally occurring elements'.

Also, I wouldn't expect all societies to develop at the same technological rate (or that their technology would follow the same general path). The Voth seem more advanced, but not by 65 million years. Klingons seem more advanced than humans in the 22nd century, but this doesn't seem to be the case in the 24th.
 
The Caitians are probably part of the Federation I think, going TAS and TVH.

Until PIC I was starting to wonder if maybe the Kzinti were too. Their territory might probably be fairly close to Earth if they were enemies way back when…maybe they were absorbed by the ballooning Federation. But okay, they’re still around and causing trouble.

The Kzinti would never join the Federation. They might, however, consider allowing the Federation to join them temporarily. In the meantime, individual Kzinti outcasts might become Federation citizens for various reasons and even join Starfleet.
 
The Kzinti would never join the Federation.
Why do you say that? The same could have been said of the violent genocidal baddie Klingons, yet Season 1 TNG suggested they were part of the Federation until the writers found new (easy) drama in having them separate again.
 
The Kzinti would never join the Federation. They might, however, consider allowing the Federation to join them temporarily. In the meantime, individual Kzinti outcasts might become Federation citizens for various reasons and even join Starfleet.

Which makes me wonder how Federation citizenship works in the first place. Do you get it by birth because your species or because your world of birth joined? I would expect a human colony such as the one from The Masterpiece Society to not be part of it, but colonies founded by Earth after Earth became a member seem to fall under Federation citizenship. I'll assume naturalization is possible, as we know of political asylum in the Federation.
 
Which makes me wonder how Federation citizenship works in the first place. Do you get it by birth because your species or because your world of birth joined? I would expect a human colony such as the one from The Masterpiece Society to not be part of it, but colonies founded by Earth after Earth became a member seem to fall under Federation citizenship. I'll assume naturalization is possible, as we know of political asylum in the Federation.

I would think that your citizenship defines you as a citizen of a particular nation, not of the United Federation of Planets. If your particular nation is a member of the UFP, then you would also be regarded as a citizen of the UFP. If your particular nation leaves or is expelled from the UFP, then you cease to be a citizen of the UFP. But you will always be a citizen of your nation.

While a home world might be a fundamental building block of a nation, in the context of citizenship, “nation” is not necessarily defined by borders, but rather by populations.


Why do you say that? The same could have been said of the violent genocidal baddie Klingons, yet Season 1 TNG suggested they were part of the Federation until the writers found new (easy) drama in having them separate again.

LOL. Sorry. I was just thinking of the Kzinti in terms of cats.

True, the Klingons had to change or die. So, change they did. Later, it seems, the Klingons were willing to die. Then, they changed their minds again and reestablished alliance with the Federation.

They are so wishy-washy.
 
Have we ever visited the Tellerite homeworld? They are a founding member of the federation yet it seems like they always get crapped on, or at least they are portrayed as kind of villainous. One of the things I loved about Enterprise was their focus on the Andorians. I would like to see the same treatment with the Tellerites.
 
Have we ever visited the Tellerite homeworld? They are a founding member of the federation yet it seems like they always get crapped on, or at least they are portrayed as kind of villainous. One of the things I loved about Enterprise was their focus on the Andorians. I would like to see the same treatment with the Tellerites.

Well they do seem to be expanding on them a bit in Prodigy
 
The Gorn. Enterprise could have just made their Gorn a big rubber head man in a suit but no let's make him a CGI dinosaur creature. There's just something wonderfully ridiculous about this 60s lizard man and his insect eyes and I wish we'd seen them in the background of DS9 or Kelvin or something.

Nice woody species, the Gorn.

What aliens would you put ahead of the Federation technologically?

Here’s my incomplete list in this order:

Children of Tama
Dominion
Vissians
First Federation
Aldeans
Cytherians
Voth
Kelvans
Borg
8472
Travelers
Metrons
Organians
Douwd
Q

Arguably, the Vaudwaar. If counting extinct ones, the Tkon and Iconians, too.
 
Regarding the more technologically advanced...did the Federation reverse engineer some of their technologies? This may help explain how the Federation ended up with such sophisticated tech.
 
Have we ever visited the Tellerite homeworld? They are a founding member of the federation yet it seems like they always get crapped on, or at least they are portrayed as kind of villainous. One of the things I loved about Enterprise was their focus on the Andorians. I would like to see the same treatment with the Tellerites.

We've been in orbit of Tellar Prime on Enterprise, and that's the series that went into their culture a bit, revealing them to be argumentative.

Tellarites have been in all five new Star Trek shows since 2017, with named characters in all the shows except Picard (which only features a Tellarite on the news crew in the first episode briefly). We now have a main character as a Tellarite (Jankom Pog of Prodigy), something that can't be said about the Andorians. We seem to be on the brink of a Tellarite renaissance in Star Trek lore.
 
Tellarites have been in all five new Star Trek shows since 2017, with named characters in all the shows except Picard (which only features a Tellarite on the news crew in the first episode briefly). We now have a main character as a Tellarite (Jankom Pog of Prodigy), something that can't be said about the Andorians. We seem to be on the brink of a Tellarite renaissance in Star Trek lore.

True, though we will be getting the Aenar character Hemmer as a regular cast member in Strange New Worlds soon, making him the Trek’s first Andorian lead. And I believe that his portrayer, Bruce Horak, will be another cool first in Trek, the first blind actor starring in the franchise.
 
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