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Legend of the Seeker anyone?

I understand your concerns, but no I'm not just a shill. I'm a sci-fi/fantasy fan, who also happens to be working directly with fans and site moderators to talk about this show. Where relevant, of course. I wouldn't have mentioned it here if there was no connection to Star Trek. This is one of the more vibrant message boards out there.

I'll be checking out the show, as I'm a fan of the book series, but I've gotta say: that they are sending out people to 'seed' scifi sites with people to talk up the show is not encouraging. Kinda shows some desperation on the part of the show, that they don't think it will stand on its own unless they go beat the bushes and try to drum up some interest before it goes on the air...
 
I'm a fan of the series - however I stopped reading after I finished Chainfire. As much as I hate the direction of the end of the series I really do love the first 6 or 7 novels.

I'm trying to be optimistic about the series and will definitely check it out. I have some major doubts though:
1. Richard looks like a 12 year old who just learned how to grow in his face fuzz
2. Zedd - he looks 40 could they not hire a REAL old guy?
3. I'm scared of a Sam Raimi Cheesefest™

I'm actually happy with their interpretation of Kahlan, while not 100% exact. (I never expected it to be) The actress they chose fits my vision of her from the books.
 
For me its going to be hard to get used to american accents on everyone. Its fair enough, Goodkind is american, and has said that he personally pronounces Kahlan as Kay-Lun, but she's always been Kar-Lan for me that it'll be weird. That somewhat irrelevent detail aside, the trailers, while a bit dodgy, are making me interested at least - I've always said that Wizard's First Rule is a great read, although the last few books have tainted the characters for me, I'll just have to try to forget that.
 
I'll be checking out the show, as I'm a fan of the book series, but I've gotta say: that they are sending out people to 'seed' scifi sites with people to talk up the show is not encouraging. Kinda shows some desperation on the part of the show, that they don't think it will stand on its own unless they go beat the bushes and try to drum up some interest before it goes on the air...

I think with new media being such a big issue in Hollywood these days, it makes sense that studios are looking into new ways to reach audiences. It's just another way to promote the show, in an arena where potential fans are likely to be found.

I'm a fan of the series - however I stopped reading after I finished Chainfire. As much as I hate the direction of the end of the series I really do love the first 6 or 7 novels.

I'm trying to be optimistic about the series and will definitely check it out. I have some major doubts though:
1. Richard looks like a 12 year old who just learned how to grow in his face fuzz

He does look young, but the character is pretty young, isn't he? Like in his early 20s?

2. Zedd - he looks 40 could they not hire a REAL old guy?

Really? To me, he looks like he's in his 50s or 60s. But I'm kind of bad with being able to tell how old people are sometimes.

3. I'm scared of a Sam Raimi Cheesefest™

Never having been a viewer of Hercules or Xena, I was wondering how similar the show would look to them. Looking at the previews, I'm thinking not very much.

I'm actually happy with their interpretation of Kahlan, while not 100% exact. (I never expected it to be) The actress they chose fits my vision of her from the books.

She has a gravitas that really makes her seem the heroine. I'm impressed!
 
I'm thinking I might check this out. I've never read the books, but I really liked the first 2 Spider-Man movies, and I've been in the mood for a fantasy adventure show like this for a while. So far from the trailers I've seen it looks like it could be pretty cool.
 
I watched the making of special Saturday on WGN, and what they showed seemed pretty cool. I'll definitely be checking it out next(?) weekend.
 
I don't know, but I have to say --- as we get closer I am getting more excited about it. Looks to be quite interesting!
 
I've never read this series of books (and given what I'm to understand about Goodkind's political stance in the series, I probably wouldn't care for them), yet I watched the new trailer and found myself quite intrigued.

So I've figured out when it's airing locally, and I'm thinking of checking out the pilot.

See, viral marketing does work. ;)
 
:cool: Has anybody read the forum's for goodkinds website.... they mention there that the first season of the tv show will encompas the first book. and one book per season for every book there is.... 11 possible seasons.

and how much violence that would have to be what time of day or evening or late nite that will determine how much violence gets film or brought to the screen,



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I've never read this series of books (and given what I'm to understand about Goodkind's political stance in the series, I probably wouldn't care for them), yet I watched the new trailer and found myself quite intrigued.

So I've figured out when it's airing locally, and I'm thinking of checking out the pilot.

See, viral marketing does work. ;)

You might as well check it out. Goodkind doesn't go batshit insane until after the first couple of books. If this series is close to the first book, it should still pretty good.
 
Really enjoyed the behind-the-scenes special that aired this past weekend! It's airing again this coming weekend, too, for those of you who want to check it out. It has a few interviews with the actors/producers/behind-the-scenes talent and also the first few minutes of the first episode.
 
I've never read this series of books (and given what I'm to understand about Goodkind's political stance in the series, I probably wouldn't care for them), yet I watched the new trailer and found myself quite intrigued.

So I've figured out when it's airing locally, and I'm thinking of checking out the pilot.

See, viral marketing does work. ;)

You might as well check it out. Goodkind doesn't go batshit insane until after the first couple of books. If this series is close to the first book, it should still pretty good.

I never thought that Goodkind went batshit insane. Part of why I like the series is that it presents a viewpoint that you can think and argue about. I don't like Ayn Rand because I like Objectivism, I just like to think about different philosophies.
 
How is it that he goes insane?

I've never read this series of books (and given what I'm to understand about Goodkind's political stance in the series, I probably wouldn't care for them), yet I watched the new trailer and found myself quite intrigued.

So I've figured out when it's airing locally, and I'm thinking of checking out the pilot.

See, viral marketing does work. ;)

You might as well check it out. Goodkind doesn't go batshit insane until after the first couple of books. If this series is close to the first book, it should still pretty good.

I never thought that Goodkind went batshit insane. Part of why I like the series is that it presents a viewpoint that you can think and argue about. I don't like Ayn Rand because I like Objectivism, I just like to think about different philosophies.

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I like to think about different philoshophies too, but the problem is that the way Goodkind uses Objectivism is shoehorned in and artless. Ayn Rand had her own thing and fair enough, I don't agree with her, but Atlas Shrugged is a classic and stands up very well to intellectual analysis. Goodkind just comes across as Rand's biggest fanboy.

Wizard's First Rule through Temple of The Winds, the first four books, are a good read. They aren't brilliantly written - they won't make you sit and up and take notice, and they won't make you think especially, not like the great fantasy authors, but they are fast-moving, well plotted and you do care about the characters. Now, I haven't reread them since I went off the series, so I have to assume that his objectivist philosophy was still present, but not in a way that hurt the story.

From book five (Soul of the Fire) onwards, things start to go a bit awry. The main characters are abandoned for a large part for a scheming noble couple who are thinly veiled caricatures of Bill and Hillary Clinton. I didn't hate the book - in fact I probably rate it higher than a lot of people do, but it seemed like a very cheap trick for an author who's supposed to care about the world he's created.

Book six (Faith of the Fallen) is when, for me, the wheels really come off. There are PAGES of objectivist propaganda. The main character, Richard, becomes such a blowhard that you just want him to fail. His "lust for life" or some drivel, makes the capital city of the evil empire that he's facing rebel, because he carves a huge statue. An evil sorceress changes sides and becomes a force for good because he makes her feel like she's her own person. Its all just horribly contrived. I get the feeling I'm not explaining it very well, but the book essentially exists to espouse objectivism, which just gets in the way of the fantasy adventure and in any case, Ayn Rand has already done it much better.

Book seven (The Pillars of Creation) is just a bit crap - new characters, boring story, and dedicated to the american secret service.

Book eight (Naked Empire) contains the infamous sequence where Richard slaughters unarmed war protestors, because since the war has to be fought, and they might encourage people not to, they are damaging to public safety. Not an exact quote, but its not hard to see why I found that distasteful.

Books 9 through 11 are one big story and I only read up until halfway through 11, thought, "fuck this" and read the ending on wikipedia. I can't remember any specific instances because I wasn't paying enough attention, but I do remember rolling my eyes at Richard's speeches and how much everyone loved him with increasing regularity as these books wore on. Sorry not to be very specific, but these books really are a blur.

All that aside, Richard, as a main character, started off relatively personable, if bland, but eventually becomes insufferable and he can do ANYTHING. He's a Gary-Stu of the first order. He can do both kinds of magic, he's in prophecy, eventually he can work out the ingredients he needs to cure himself of a poison by remembering the taste of the poison. It becomes ridiculous.

There is a lot of violence, which I don't care about really, but some do - a disproportionate amount of it seems to be sexual and directed towards women, but that's more a problem I've read people had with Goodkind than I've noticed myself - it might be he has a hang-up, or it might be that his critics do.

Goodkind himself rubs me up the wrong way as well. He's written some successful books, and more power to him, but he constantly argues that these aren't fantasy and are important works. Not fantasy... just the first one contains, a magic sword, a dragon, a witch, a winged beast, a magical frigging land filled with magic and wizards and more goddamned magic!

Anyway this turned into a bit of an essay, and didn't come out quite as well as I'd hoped. I will point out that I will be watching Legend of the Seeker for as long as I enjoy it, I am still at least a little invested in these earlier stories. I won't ever pretend not to have enjoyed Goodkind's books - I did, right up until book 10, actually - until I started to really THINK about them on a reread and realised they were both formulaic and somewhat distasteful.
 
Hope it didn't take you long to realize that they are fomulaic! :p

How many times in the book series does Richard get kidnapped or otherwise trapped/seperated from the group, and spend most of that book on his own, trying to escape, solve the puzzle, or convert the populace? Pretty much every book, no? And for MOST of each book. After Book 1, Richard spends what, about 3 days total with Kahlan? Seeing that he disappears for months to a year at a time, I'm suprised that these two even REMEMBER each other, much less love each other and are still fighting to be together.

And since these books all flow one directly after the events of the previous one, Richard is never around more than a few minutes before getting kidnapped again (until the last couple books, and then it's Kahlan's turn)...
 
Hope it didn't take you long to realize that they are fomulaic! :p

How many times in the book series does Richard get kidnapped or otherwise trapped/seperated from the group, and spend most of that book on his own, trying to escape, solve the puzzle, or convert the populace? Pretty much every book, no? And for MOST of each book. After Book 1, Richard spends what, about 3 days total with Kahlan? Seeing that he disappears for months to a year at a time, I'm suprised that these two even REMEMBER each other, much less love each other and are still fighting to be together.

And since these books all flow one directly after the events of the previous one, Richard is never around more than a few minutes before getting kidnapped again (until the last couple books, and then it's Kahlan's turn)...

Lol, yeah, well - I have an excuse. I was quite young when I read the first few (I'm 22 now) and I was reading at a frantic pace that I wish I could manage these days, so books went by in a flash. Then, when I caught up, I had to wait a year or more for each installment, so the formula didn't seem quite so blatant. But trying to reread them now, in order, oh my no...
 
I'll be checking out the show, as I'm a fan of the book series, but I've gotta say: that they are sending out people to 'seed' scifi sites with people to talk up the show is not encouraging. Kinda shows some desperation on the part of the show, that they don't think it will stand on its own unless they go beat the bushes and try to drum up some interest before it goes on the air...

I'm sure many of us are fans of both sci-fi and fantasy. But as Legend of the Seeker is syndicated, it doesn't have the same means of doing what someone like Fox does, i.e. promoting your new show during House or the World Series. Word of mouth is often what makes a show like this successful. And if a show like this does well, it means genre stuff will be more prominent on TV. I saw today that Bryan Fuller would like to do something with a new Star Trek show on TV, which would be fantastic. I'm not a big fan of procedurals myself, but networks keep putting them on because they are popular. I would rather see new Star Trek than CSI: London or whatever the next one is!

And thanks to Bishbot for the book by book breakdown. Should save me some time. :bolian:
 
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