Leaving The Captain's Chair: After The Fame

[M.A.C.O.]

Janeway does have a plethora of questionable decisions and VOY reputation in the Delta Quadrant wasn't exactly rosey. Janeway would be a big hero coming back to Earth, though. So, rewarding her with advances in rank would be fitting. However, given present Janeway and Future Janeway (who would be in present Janeway's report of what happened in the Delta Quad), both have a penchant for ignoring the rules when it doesn't suit them. Why would Starfleet promote her so high into the command structure?

Unless, you have to be corrupt/bent in order to get into the Starfleet Admiral's Club.

Hahaha

 

[Timewalker]

Janeway does have a plethora of questionable decisions and VOY reputation in the Delta Quadrant wasn't exactly rosey. Janeway would be a big hero coming back to Earth, though. So, rewarding her with advances in rank would be fitting. However, given present Janeway and Future Janeway (who would be in present Janeway's report of what happened in the Delta Quad), both have a penchant for ignoring the rules when it doesn't suit them. Why would Starfleet promote her so high into the command structure?

Unless, you have to ben corrupt/bent in order to get into the Starfleet Admiral's Club.

Hahaha

Well, there have been quite a number of corrupt or crazy Admirals over the years...

It's not fair, however, to punish the real Janeway for what her alternate universe self did. After all, she didn't do those things, and thanks to the change in timeline, she won't.

 

[Prax]

Janeway getting promoted would instantly elevate the badmirals club.

She may have only been promoted once. She's simply referred to as "Admiral" in Nemesis, but how did she earn it?

Well, she charted and explored huge swaths of unknown space, made contact with hundred of worlds, stopped dangerous maniacs like Annorax, or the fluidic aliens. No other captains have returned with so much accumulated knowledge. Just compare Janeway's feats of exploration to whatever SF was doing in the Gamma Quadrant.

The Borg: The Federations greatest threat in history. Janeway liberated a human drone and learned their technology. She destroyed their invasion wormhole hub which had a road leading directly to earth, and brought back technology to keep the Federation secure against them.

She sent home 2 lost Ferengi that were ruining a primitive world.

Because of Janeway, Starfleet developed the transgalactic telephone.

She even redeemed Admiral Paris'(her boss) son.

She's like the most accomplished captain evarrr...

She probably has really good PR, too. They had no choice but to promote her. Kirk and Picard became rogues in their old age. Sisko was a god, and had other interests than a career in SF.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Well, there have been quite a number of corrupt or crazy Admirals over the years...

It's not fair, however, to punish the real Janeway for what her alternate universe self did. After all, she didn't do those things, and thanks to the change in timeline, she won't.

I referenced this in my original post. That present Janeway had her own list of questionable decisions and Starfleet rule breaking.

Designing the Nano-Probe warheads and giving them to the Borg so they could use against out Species 8472. Which the Borg and Voyager do, in both "Scorpion". The war between the Borg and 8472 was a matter of two respective powers in their own quadrant having a military scuffle. VOY inserted itself into the conflict as a way to shorten the time it would take to get home by 10 years. That's a violation of the Prime Directive. From "Hope and Fear", we know several neighboring species were assimilated by the Borg after VOY helped them push 8472 back to their own space.

Janeway's actions in dealing with the Equinox crew and Chakotay during the episode.

Giving the Hirogen holodeck tech, which the Hirogen then exploit and it kicks off a killing spree across the quadrant. The same Janeway who refused to give the Kazon replicator tech, so they could have access water initially, but later intended to pervert it for weapons. The principle of not sharing Feddie tech was violated regardless.

There are more, but you get the point.

Kirk and Picard became rogues in their old age. Sisko was a god, and had other interests than a career in SF.

Kirk was a rogue still (TSTF definitely) but he suffered the consquences for his actions, was court martialed and was demoted as a result.

Picard definitely stayed in the lines during his career. I think the only time he went against the grain was during INS. However, INS has all sorts of problems with it's justification of the TNG crew going rogue and contrary to their stance on a similar issue "Journey's End".

 

[at Quark's]

Janeway does have a plethora of questionable decisions and VOY reputation in the Delta Quadrant wasn't exactly rosey.

Well, there have been quite a number of corrupt or crazy Admirals over the years...

<evil thought> What if she was deliberately shown this way to make it clear to the viewers from day 1 that she had the potential to become one of the 'great ones'?

(disclaimer: I personally don't believe that Janeway made "a plethora of questionable decisions". A few of them, yes. But it would be very difficult to survive the DQ unscathed.)

 

[Nebusj]

She probably has really good PR, too. They had no choice but to promote her.

Her timing would also be quite good, must be said. I mean, anyone bringing a ship home basically intact after a seven-year expedition like that would be noteworthy and worth celebrating. But managing that in the wake of the long, horrid Dominion War? With all her morally dubious choices seventy thousand light-years away and easy to overlook, especially in the light of many hard choices made by Star Fleet officers who were in the War? Provided she avoided some Wilkes-like political fiasco in the immediate aftermath it's hard to see her not being, at least for a while, the embodiment of Why We Fight.

 

[uniderth]

Regarding what Kirk did to earn being Admiral, his 5 year mission was more legendary than any others, enough that his ship is the only one in Starfleet that future named ships get the same registry with a letter added. No other ship has that honor.

False.

U.S.S. Yamato NCC-1305-E

 

[Shawnster]

Or USS Yamato NCC 71807
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Yamato

 

[Farscape One]

False.

U.S.S. Yamato NCC-1305-E

That was a fake ship in that experiment Nagilum was pulling on the crew. The real registry was the one from "Contagion".

 

[uniderth]

That was a fake ship in that experiment Nagilum was pulling on the crew. The real registry was the one from "Contagion".

Riiiiiiiight.....

 

[Timo]

That's a Paralympics event right there: competing abreast are a registry created by a malevolent entity that can play tricks with the minds of the heroes, and one created by a crazy computer contaminated by malevolent software...

Did NCC-1305 perform heroic deeds before NCC-1701, seeing that she's gotten up to -E already by the time the latter is only doing -D? (Makes some sense, considering the registry is lower.) Have her descendants lived more active / less charmed lives, leading to quicker succession? Who premiered the letter suffix thing and when? Is there an NCC-123-F around?

Also, tangenting on the topic, what requirements are placed on one becoming the skipper of a legendary (predestined-to-become-legendary?), letter-suffixed ship? Why did Picard get the E-D? Why did Harriman get the E-B?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[sbk1234]

Did NCC-1305 perform heroic deeds before NCC-1701, seeing that she's gotten up to -E already by the time the latter is only doing -D? (Makes some sense, considering the registry is lower.) Have her descendants lived more active / less charmed lives, leading to quicker succession? Who premiered the letter suffix thing and when? Is there an NCC-123-F around?



Timo Saloniemi

In my own head canon, I figure that in order for a registry number to be reused with a subsequent namesake ship, like Enterprise, an officer - or someone with some clout - has to petition Starfleet with the request. Then the board of whoever makes a decision. With Enterprise, it was probably a slam dunk, since the ship's history was so prestigious. I assume there were other ships with lettered registries, but we just didn't see them. Although not canon, I know that some of the books have featured other ships with such registries. Works for me.

 

[Shawnster]

That's a Paralympics event right there: competing abreast are a registry created by a malevolent entity that can play tricks with the minds of the heroes, and one created by a crazy computer contaminated by malevolent software...


Timo Saloniemi

The malevolent software didn't create the Yamato or its registry number. It did, however, destroy it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

But how many of them would have had her level of expertise about the Borg?

Picard?

Oh, he wasn't an admiral for some reason.

 

[Prax]

He wanted to be a captain for too long. By the time he changed his mind, it was too late. He was too crazy by then.

Ya see, you're supposed to become an admiral, then go crazy.

 

[Timo]

The malevolent software didn't create the Yamato or its registry number.

How do we know? The only place where we see the registry number is the output of a computer contaminated by said software.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Prax]

The Registry is seen on the hull when the ship explodes in Contagion.

 

[Timo]

Umm, "the" registry isn't. What we see if (and only if) we freeze-frame the explosion is NCC-71806 or somesuch, which just proves that the computer records have been corrupted and show a false registry. And if we ignore that, we can jump straight back to NCC-1305-E which is a fine alternate viewing of what flashes by on the doomed hull.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shawnster]

Picard, on the Enterprise, prior to encountering the Yamato and the computer virus, is looking over records. The display clearly indicates the Yamato registry as NCC 71807.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x11/contagion_hd_003.jpg

 

[Timo]

Exactly. And this is already corrupted data, because it comes directly from the corrupted Yamato (it highlights the malfunctions, rather than just displaying a general schematic). Picard's ship is already doomed at this point. Let's just hope he didn't include an email attachment when he contacted his superiors about the situation...

Timo Saloniemi