News Kurtzman: Spock And Filling In Canon

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[seigezunt]

Get in the car, kids, we're going to Talos!

 

[Yistaan]

Get in the car, kids, we're going to Talos!

If they are going to go full-on prequel to the Menagerie, might as well bring in Vina to provide context on why Pike would be ok spending the rest of his life on a planet with a woman he only met in one episode.

The Menagerie also stated the Enterprise was the only "Earth" ship to go to Talos 4, but maybe they'll mince words and say Discovery doesn't count as an Earth ship but a Federation ship.

 

[Noname Given]

If they are going to go full-on prequel to the Menagerie, might as well bring in Vina to provide context on why Pike would be ok spending the rest of his life on a planet with a woman he only met in one episode.

The Menagerie also stated the Enterprise was the only "Earth" ship to go to Talos 4, but maybe they'll mince words and say Discovery doesn't count as an Earth ship but a Federation ship.

Or it's possible the Discovery visit was further classified; and neither Kirk nor Mendez were aware of it.

Hell, I just re-watched TNG's "The Pegasus" again and I forgot that Picard had to 'pull in favors' to even get a look at a clasidied report on the Pegasus mutiny incident - and even that report mentioned things Picard couldn't look into further; so the idea some fans have that:

"Starfleet Captains have access to EVERYTHING (record wise); and Starfleet hides NOTHING..." isn't supported, even in TNG canon.

 

[Yistaan]

Or it's possible the Discovery visit was further classified; and neither Kirk nor Mendez were aware of it.

Hell, I just re-watched TNG's "The Pegasus" again and I forgot that Picard had to 'pull in favors' to even get a look at a clasidied report on the Pegasus mutiny incident - and even that report mentioned things Picard couldn't look into further; so the idea some fans have that:

"Starfleet Captains have access to EVERYTHING (record wise); and Starfleet hides NOTHING..." isn't supported, even in TNG canon.

It wasn't supported even in TOS canon, when Kirk expressed surprise that big shot ambassador Sarek was Spock's father, something you think he probably should have known.

The classified device works well if it isn't overdone. It was a bit much for the Mirror Universe thing though, and if they keep using "classified" in future episodes, we're probably on our way to Spock never mentioning his stepsister because "She's classified."

 

[Noname Given]

It wasn't supported even in TOS canon, when Kirk expressed surprise that big shot ambassador Sarek was Spock's father, something you think he probably should have known.

The classified device works well if it isn't overdone. It was a bit much for the Mirror Universe thing though, and if they keep using "classified" in future episodes, we're probably on our way to Spock never mentioning his stepsister because "She's classified."

Except Sarek wasn't a 'Big Shot' until they made him that way in the films. Seriously? In the military, how many Command level officers know or care UNLESS they need to take them somewhere?

And as to the MU being classified IDK - it kind of makes sense given they're going to have Michelle Yeoh back as the MU Empress impersonating her PU counterpart; WITH the full knowledge and support of the highest levels of Starfleet Command.
(They also were complicit in using her in Season 1 to end the Fed/Klingon War via very questionable means)

Remember the basis of ST: D: So far, we're had a very focused and self contained story of about 9 months of 'in universe' time. I expect the second season will be similar (IE this story may only encompass a few weeks/months). We don't have a ship going on random assignments (like TOS, TNG, etc.). To date:

- Discovery was the testbed for a VERY SECRET piece of technology (That if used improperly can destroy reality)

- Discovery has been to a Parallel Universe that's very different from our own; and used a person from that Universe to carry out questionable actions with the full knowledge of Starfleet Command.

- Is being assigned another rather covert operation to investigate 7 Anomalies that Starfleet Command doesn't understand and doesn't want to have rumors spread about until they know more.
^^^
So, yeah, IMO, it ultimately being classified so far (and still in the 'future' Star trek eras) isn't much of a stretch here (imo).

 

[Greg Cox]

Or it's possible the Discovery visit was further classified; and neither Kirk nor Mendez were aware of it.

Hell, I just re-watched TNG's "The Pegasus" again and I forgot that Picard had to 'pull in favors' to even get a look at a clasidied report on the Pegasus mutiny incident - and even that report mentioned things Picard couldn't look into further; so the idea some fans have that:

"Starfleet Captains have access to EVERYTHING (record wise); and Starfleet hides NOTHING..." isn't supported, even in TNG canon.

And sometimes captains hide things from Starfleet, as in the case of Zefram Cochrane in "Metamorphosis."

 

[Yistaan]

And sometimes captains hide things from Starfleet, as in the case of Zefram Cochrane in "Metamorphosis."

You can't hide anything from Starfleet! Everyone knows Section 31 is filled with Vulcans and Betazoids that either mindmeld or mindrip info from Starfleet captains' brains when they are sleeping.

 

[Lord Garth]

It wasn't supported even in TOS canon, when Kirk expressed surprise that big shot ambassador Sarek was Spock's father, something you think he probably should have known.

The classified device works well if it isn't overdone. It was a bit much for the Mirror Universe thing though, and if they keep using "classified" in future episodes, we're probably on our way to Spock never mentioning his stepsister because "She's classified."

Well, I'm pretty sure Commodore Mendez told Kirk that the reasons Talos IV was forbidden were for reasons even he didn't know. So, it's built right into the dialogue that something classified was implied. I'll provide exact quotes later, unless someone beats me to the punch.

Commodore Mendez, by his rank alone, isn't exactly top-brass. So I'm sure that Admiral Cornwell will know some things that the Commodore won't.

And the visit to Talos IV in "The Cage" is simply not something you'd think Starfleet Command would decide, "Visiting here deserves the Death Penalty!" So there had to be more to it. I think we'll find out what the "more to it" really is.

 

[Lord Garth]

Whenever I see debates about Canon now, all I can think of is learning US History in school.

Elementary School: Here's the history of our country and a basic understanding of it!
High School: Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...
College: Everything you thought you knew and took for granted was wrong! And from only one point of view. Here's what really happened!

As far as Star Trek Canon goes, we're in the equivalent of late high school or early college. The stuff we learned in TOS was elementary school.

 

[Attentiveluke]

It looks like Mary Sue Burnham will be the one who creates the Spock we all know and love. She is the greatest Star Trek character ever created...

 

[seigezunt]

 

[Yistaan]

Whenever I see debates about Canon now, all I can think of is learning US History in school.

Elementary School: Here's the history of our country and a basic understanding of it!
High School: Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...
College: Everything you thought you knew and took for granted was wrong! And from only one point of view. Here's what really happened!

As far as Star Trek Canon goes, we're in the equivalent of late high school or early college. The stuff we learned in TOS was elementary school.

Elementary School (TOS, TAS, and the TOS movies): The Federation is rosy except for 1 or 2 evil admirals. We can handle anything, and don't believe in 'No win scenarios'. Even Spock dying was undone.

Even the last entry of TOS works, ST6, is called naive by its own director: https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/1...-nicholas-meyer-on-his-regrets-about-the-film

High School (TNG and its movies): The Federation often has no clue what it's doing (Admiral Nechayev, Insurrection and Nemesis). Tasha is really dead and she's not being shipped to the Genesis planet. TOS' Klingons look like playground bullies compared to the Borg.

College (DS9 and everything after that): Section 31 is behind everything.

 

[Lord Garth]

College (DS9 and everything after that): Section 31 is behind everything.

Aren't they?

Cue X-Files Music...

 

[Tuskin38]

It looks like Mary Sue Burnham will be the one who creates the Spock we all know and love. She is the greatest Star Trek character ever created...

No

 

[Attentiveluke]

“His experience with the Red Angel and the signals has fried his logical brain. He cannot make sense of it. And he is emotionally ill-equipped to deal with it. So both logic and emotion are failing him, totally. And he is totally unsure of himself and trying to figure out how to make sense of the mystery and where he fits into the world. And it’s through his complicated relationship with his sister that he’s able to figure out how to become and actualize himself as the Spock that we know from TOS. ”

Yes.

 

[Yistaan]

“His experience with the Red Angel and the signals has fried his logical brain. He cannot make sense of it. And he is emotionally ill-equipped to deal with it. So both logic and emotion are failing him, totally. And he is totally unsure of himself and trying to figure out how to make sense of the mystery and where he fits into the world. And it’s through his complicated relationship with his sister that he’s able to figure out how to become and actualize himself as the Spock that we know from TOS. ”

Yes.

This does not make Michael Burnham a 'Mary Sue' as you claimed in your earlier post. She's a decent character in her own right, but admittedly could use some writing work (the Voq/Tyler relationship felt flat).

Once could easily say that Count Dooku, a character we never heard of during the original Star Wars trilogy helped Anakin become Vader through his repeated duels and conflict with Anakin during the Clone Wars. Dooku was also able to single-handedly defeat Kenobi and Anakin multiple times, and even Mace Windu (if you watch the Clone Wars cartoon). Does that mean Dooku is a 'Mary Sue'? Of course not.

 

[Tuskin38]

“His experience with the Red Angel and the signals has fried his logical brain. He cannot make sense of it. And he is emotionally ill-equipped to deal with it. So both logic and emotion are failing him, totally. And he is totally unsure of himself and trying to figure out how to make sense of the mystery and where he fits into the world. And it’s through his complicated relationship with his sister that he’s able to figure out how to become and actualize himself as the Spock that we know from TOS. ”

Yes.

Nope.

 

[BillJ]

Unimaginative show figures out way to be even more unimaginative.

Shh! Everything is classified.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, Talos is one of the few places I could live without seeing again in Star Trek. Curious to see how Pike handles it. I think that will be more my driving force on this season. I could care less about the events and the tech and care far more about how different characters handle it, Spock included.