Seriously what even is this attitude? (Not refering to you specifically, just using it as a jumping off point). What if Ferrari never changed the way they make their cars? "No! No!! No!!! We use v-12s, no power steering and no rear wheel steering! And the body must be made of metal!!" I picked cars because it's a cross section of art and progress. For the none car people out there if they just made cars the way illustrated in that quote they'd be laughed out of existence. Kind of like if CBS just made a TNG rip off, oh sure it may have the hardcore stay and support it enough to succeed, but they wouldn't gain any new fans in a significant enough way to ensure true long term brand growth.
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Seriously what even is this attitude? (Not refering to you specifically, just using it as a jumping off point). What if Ferrari never changed the way they make their cars? "No! No!! No!!! We use v-12s, no power steering and no rear wheel steering! And the body must be made of metal!!" I picked cars because it's a cross section of art and progress. For the none car people out there if they just made cars the way illustrated in that quote they'd be laughed out of existence. Kind of like if CBS just made a TNG rip off, oh sure it may have the hardcore stay and support it enough to succeed, but they wouldn't gain any new fans in a significant enough way to ensure true long term brand growth.
I could have sworn I'd read before that they only plan to have Burnham as the protagonist for the first season. The implication is that the show will focus on another crew member entirely for its second season. It seems like a good idea honestly, since it's likely there will be a "breakout character" they weren't expecting.
Well I was just joking about the Klingon perspective idea. I think we might get that this season, anyways. I enjoyed the mirror universe stories for the most part. They were fun little diversions and the "DS9" second season one even feels like a regular drama. Me I don't think it's so much as they will be going to the same mirror universe we have already seen but many possible alternate universe's. One I suspect might be like the one we saw but you can do any other kind of universe's if you want, including one that feels more like "TOS." I think they might eventually do the "Fringe" idea of spending more focus on just one of these alternate universe's and we would get some ongoing story connected to that verse.
Jason
Not exactly, my criticism of the show stems from the desire for it to have been good or even to gradually get good, but every single fear I had leading up to the STD's premier has been confirmed. Every single direction it's taking is the complete opposite of what I wanted. It's just such a shame that there was an opportunity to create something great, especially considering how well the production values look, and it's all been wasted on a war with Klingons. I, obviously, don't want Discovery to fail, because if it does, I'm going to be watching the next new Trek in a retirement community.
If they're so bent on just doing what everyone else in the entertainment industry is doing (long ass arcs, emo characters, gloomy ambiance) then at least come up with a more interesting idea than a stupid war. Deep down I still hope the first season will get good and that the war is only going to be a backdrop for something more interesting and that the lights are going to be turned on in episode 4.
It's interesting that you say this, because at one point (one could probably find the posts somewhe haha) I literally said in a thread asking what people want/don't want in a new series:
1. No morally ambiguous characters. I don't want Breaking Bad or Mad Men in space
2. No space wars. That's a tired, super-overdone sci-fi trope.
3. No space politics (meaning the maneuverings and motivations of other major galactic powers)
...and literally all of that is coming to pass in some way or another. Like, it hits every major point I was begging for them not to do.
BUT in spite of all that, I find myself liking it on its own merits. I've been able to compartmentalize my preconceptions and desires and just watch from a completely "blanc tableau" place...and I find myself excited and intrigued at nearly every turn.
Go figure.
Actually, considering that the first season has been catered, on every level, to my strong dislikes, I'll try to extrapolate what the next season could be.
Discovery is going to be marooned on a lifeless asteroid, with the crew trapped inside. The ship is going to be experiencing constant power outages, most lighting will come from low-power flashlights that will give us a hint as to the identity of any given character. The story is going to be one long arc about the power dynamics that will emerge in these desperate circumstances. Camps will form, physical violence will ensue and only time will show which crewman is going to be the last one to retain a shred of humanity. In the last episode they'll be rescued by a Klingon warbird, setting the stage for Season 3.
Discovery is going to be marooned on a lifeless asteroid, with the crew trapped inside. The ship is going to be experiencing constant power outages, most lighting will come from low-power flashlights that will give us a hint as to the identity of any given character. The story is going to be one long arc about the power dynamics that will emerge in these desperate circumstances. Camps will form, physical violence will ensue and only time will show which crewman is going to be the last one to retain a shred of humanity. In the last episode they'll be rescued by a Klingon warbird, setting the stage for Season 3.
I really do wonder what they will do if this show lasts more than 2 seasons because you would think they would want a different arc each season. Here is how I would do it.
2:Alternate Universes
3 Destroy the ship and have them live with aliens on a space station or planet for a year.
4 New ship and time travel to the future or the past and stuck their for a year.
5 FInal season would be the show embracing old school exploration as you wrap up your character arcs. Maybe this is Burnhams first year as captain. Perhaps the Enterprise with Pike and Spock play a important role all season which ends with Pike having that injury that forces him into the wheelchair and since this show is in a alternate universe things don't have to play like they did in the old shows and maybe we see Kirk take command of the Enterprise and Burnham and the Discovery ends up being destroyed while protecting the Enterprise when that season's main villians try to destroy it. Tilly and Saru survive and become part of Kirk and the Enterprise's crew.
Jason
2:Alternate Universes
3 Destroy the ship and have them live with aliens on a space station or planet for a year.
4 New ship and time travel to the future or the past and stuck their for a year.
5 FInal season would be the show embracing old school exploration as you wrap up your character arcs. Maybe this is Burnhams first year as captain. Perhaps the Enterprise with Pike and Spock play a important role all season which ends with Pike having that injury that forces him into the wheelchair and since this show is in a alternate universe things don't have to play like they did in the old shows and maybe we see Kirk take command of the Enterprise and Burnham and the Discovery ends up being destroyed while protecting the Enterprise when that season's main villians try to destroy it. Tilly and Saru survive and become part of Kirk and the Enterprise's crew.
Jason
People don't know what they want until they're presented with it.
Glad you're still enjoying it, different strokes for different folks. That being said, that sounds dreadfully dull. The (current) Golden age of tv is literally the opposite of what you just described. How old are you? This may be a generational thing
I enjoy complex characters and long arcs when it's appropriate. There are some amazing shows that sport every detail of why I dislike Discovery and it works well. If I wanted a complex political drama, I'd watch Okkupert, for instance. I enjoyed Breaking Bad and even GOT. In sci-fi I want sci-fi to be the focus of the show. It's not a generational thing, imho. Star Trek is (was) unique and some of us wanted it to stay that way, not become a cheap parody on every single other show out there.
Although age might be a factor, now that I think about it, around the year 2001 or so, I was 15, entertainment started shifting towards emo/dark side of things. So people who are 10 years younger than me grew up watching nothing but pessimistic shows and it's all they know.
Although age might be a factor, now that I think about it, around the year 2001 or so, I was 15, entertainment started shifting towards emo/dark side of things. So people who are 10 years younger than me grew up watching nothing but pessimistic shows and it's all they know.
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Is there a question somewhere in here for me?
Idea 1: In the last episode of season 1 they run into Enterprise (design of the ship from The Cage era), but all crew are unconscious. Similar to how Enterprise NX-01 run into Defiant in In the mirror, darkly episode. Then some interference with spore drive makes them switch realities so we see Enterprise from Kelvin timeline...
Idea 2: Ending of season 1 / start of season 2: Sarek dies. That's how we figure out this isn't original reality. Malfuction of the spore drive sends them to alternate universe witch really is "original star trek timeline" where Spock had no "half sister" and Klingons look like in TOS and some look like from TNG.
Idea 2: Ending of season 1 / start of season 2: Sarek dies. That's how we figure out this isn't original reality. Malfuction of the spore drive sends them to alternate universe witch really is "original star trek timeline" where Spock had no "half sister" and Klingons look like in TOS and some look like from TNG.
Well, Ferrari is not yet in the business of making Buicks with Ferrari badges on them so the comparison doesn't work.
Sc-Fi was rarely, if not never, the focus of Star Trek. Mostly it was just the setting (a spaceship) or the thing that set a plot in motion (we're at planet X to do Y).
I'm trying to determine if it's a generational thing. That the current "golden age" of tv which is the opposite of what you described is because of the popularity with younger generations (millenial, generation x, etc). House of cards, mad men, breaking bad game of thrones etc are all the exact opposite of things you want and yet they're so popular and well recieved critically that people can identify them off simple imagery. Like an upside down flag, a Targaryen sigil, Heisenberg's hat.
I didn't say I don't like Game of Thrones or Mad Men etc.
I simply said I initially thought that I'd rather not see those same elements as part of a Star Trek series.
So I don't think your question about my age is relevant.
You might be thinking of the original anthology pitch.
All we know is that the war is only the focus for season 1, season 2 is something else.
To my mind the salient question is mostly what advantage you get from having the "modern TV format" in a sci-fi setting. I mean, you can do political intrigue and interpersonal conflict with next to no budget on a stage. What a science fiction setting gives you is the ability to use both allegory and concepts which don't align with everyday reality. If you don't engage in either of those, you're just wasting a lot of money on an effects budget, IMHO.
Hey dude- let's get a couple things down:
1. The entire point of my post was that I LIKE Discovery in spite of my initial biases. I proved myself wrong. So, once again...not sure what the relevance is to your line of questions at this point.
2. I'm not telling you my fucking age.
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