Spock mentions "unremitting hostilities" for 70 years in 2293, taken literally starting in 2223, 32 years before Discovery.
News Kurtzman On Discovery: Klingon War And Aftermath
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Spock mentions "unremitting hostilities" for 70 years in 2293, taken literally starting in 2223, 32 years before Discovery.
If ongoing war as a part of life is dystopian, we're living in a dystopia now.
Despite mounting evidence, I'm not convinced of that just yet.
Continual war? That's not a dark future, it's a fictional environment that matches the world we live in far better than does a so-called peaceful utopia.
As for the United States being in continual wars for the past century give examples
You forgot the Tarallians from TNG ep "Suddenly Human" which was also a war and the Gathers from "Then Vengance Factor" which seem more like a terrorist issue.
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I wonder if the remnants of the romulan empire didn't try to go to war with the federation post Romulus destruction in 2387. Cause I'm sure Nero and his remnants weren't the only ones who survived.
Wondering if this maybe ties into the Battle of Axanar somehow (which non-canon sources have occurring around 2251, about six years before Discovery), and perhaps is why CBS was seemingly so eager to put the kibosh on Alec Peters' fanfic-movie recently. Canonically, there's nothing in "Whom Gods Destroy" expressly linking the battle to the Klingons, but it would be an unexplored TOS backstory-thread that the new show's writers will almost certainly wish to mine at some point, in one way or another.
Axanar got landed on with both feet as they both tried to make money off CBS's IP and then tried to claim CBS did not legally own Star Trek at all.
That shouldn't be much of a factor in whether DSC will use Axanar as a plot element, really. It's not as if there'd be any demand for petty revenge, say, by writing a story that completely contradicts or shamelessly copies Peters'. Or for timidity, say, by steering clear of Axanar. Peters is too small a bug to be stamped on twice.
But we don't know of a "battle of Axanar" in onscreen terms. There's a "victory" associated with it, and a "peace mission", but not a "battle" as such. And no hint of Klingons, and only indirect suggestion that it would be around the time of DSC (in direct reading of the evidence, the non-peaceful part and the "victory" need to be while Kirk is still a cadet or even earlier on, and that's cutting it awfully close).
A Klingon war that takes one season sounds fine as such. But we need those 70 years of unremitting hostility, supposedly meaning the Klingons stayed quiet until the 2220s and only thereafter began what Spock counts as hostile action. How to mark the line? If DSC introduces the idea of war vs. peace, but the peace around the war still counts as unremitting hostility, then what were the relations like before the 2220s? Pretty flowers and honest handshakes?
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But we don't know of a "battle of Axanar" in onscreen terms. There's a "victory" associated with it, and a "peace mission", but not a "battle" as such. And no hint of Klingons, and only indirect suggestion that it would be around the time of DSC (in direct reading of the evidence, the non-peaceful part and the "victory" need to be while Kirk is still a cadet or even earlier on, and that's cutting it awfully close).
A Klingon war that takes one season sounds fine as such. But we need those 70 years of unremitting hostility, supposedly meaning the Klingons stayed quiet until the 2220s and only thereafter began what Spock counts as hostile action. How to mark the line? If DSC introduces the idea of war vs. peace, but the peace around the war still counts as unremitting hostility, then what were the relations like before the 2220s? Pretty flowers and honest handshakes?
Timo Saloniemi
Cold War fundamentally occurs when two evenly matched powers fear the intentions of the other, and project a show of strength to deter the other through threat of massive retaliation - an attack becomes too ruinously costly to contemplate.
Peace starts with small steps and doesn't necccecary end hostilities immediately - states have to gradually reassure one another that they will not attack, often by both sides agreeing to make costly sacrifices to demonstrate sincerity, as the cost of a sacrifice shows the seriousness of the gesture. Sacrificing a choice dilithium mining world say.
The Klingon Empire expands through conquest, and probably sees the Federation's induction of members as competition over a finite resource (subjects, dilithium, minerals), an existential threat - peace craft begins with understanding the perspective of the opposing state.
Peace starts with small steps and doesn't necccecary end hostilities immediately - states have to gradually reassure one another that they will not attack, often by both sides agreeing to make costly sacrifices to demonstrate sincerity, as the cost of a sacrifice shows the seriousness of the gesture. Sacrificing a choice dilithium mining world say.
The Klingon Empire expands through conquest, and probably sees the Federation's induction of members as competition over a finite resource (subjects, dilithium, minerals), an existential threat - peace craft begins with understanding the perspective of the opposing state.
Exactly how is Game of Thrones "nothing like that"? Isn't Game of Thrones an adaptation of The Song of Ice and Fire novel series with roughly each season based on a book of the series? Isn't that what @Spider said and I quoted him?
I guess the big issue here is that those specific novels themselves are just chapters in one big supernovel, just as in, say, Harry Potter. Martin and Rowling pretty much knew the whole story when launching into the series; it's unlikely any of the writers of DSC has any idea what the second "novel" is going to be about.
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Of course they didn't. Fuller originally pitched an anthology series. It was going to be different characters, ships, situations, time eras, etc. for season 2. And it's still may happen depending the reception of DSC and the rumors about Meyer's new Trek project.
That has nothing to do with why Alec got sued. They didn't sue him just so they could do axanar in discovery.
It's an adaptation of one long story, with little to distinguish between seasons other than the progression of different elements of that one story. That's the opposite of what's being proposed here, a new season long story each season. A new novel per season, with the same characters, if you like. Probably closer to something like Stranger Things based on their second season trailer.
No. If anyone tells you that, they are lying.
I mean, yes, I know all about the skeevy merchandising and Alec paying himself a salary and all that, but the timeframe of CBS's lawsuit lines up with the BTS development of Discovery, and there was speculation that a desire to potentially mine the Axanar backstory from TOS in the new series was yet another reason (certainly not a major reason, but still a reason) behind the lawsuit.
Self serving speculation by the defendant.
CBS already owns the story, and there is nothing new or revelatory in ANYTHING produced or written for that particular fan film. It would have been 90 minutes of pew-pew, with no new details or anything that could be "mined" by CBS.
No. Fuller wasn't hired until mid-2016. CBS told Peters to back off in August of 2015.
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