News Kurtzman On Discovery: Klingon War And Aftermath

[Noname Given]

That shouldn't be much of a factor in whether DSC will use Axanar as a plot element, really. It's not as if there'd be any demand for petty revenge, say, by writing a story that completely contradicts or shamelessly copies Peters'. Or for timidity, say, by steering clear of Axanar. Peters is too small a bug to be stamped on twice.

But we don't know of a "battle of Axanar" in onscreen terms. There's a "victory" associated with it, and a "peace mission", but not a "battle" as such. And no hint of Klingons, and only indirect suggestion that it would be around the time of DSC (in direct reading of the evidence, the non-peaceful part and the "victory" need to be while Kirk is still a cadet or even earlier on, and that's cutting it awfully close).

A Klingon war that takes one season sounds fine as such. But we need those 70 years of unremitting hostility, supposedly meaning the Klingons stayed quiet until the 2220s and only thereafter began what Spock counts as hostile action. How to mark the line? If DSC introduces the idea of war vs. peace, but the peace around the war still counts as unremitting hostility, then what were the relations like before the 2220s? Pretty flowers and honest handshakes?

Timo Saloniemi

The idea that "The Battle of Axanar" was fought as part of a "Four Year War" was taken directly from a TOS Sourcebook supplement created by FASA for their "Star Trek Role-Playing" game circa 1984.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/80485378/Star-Trek-Source-Book-the-Four-Years-War
^^^
So yeah, EVEN THAT wasn't an original idea from Alec Peters - he 'stole' that idea too.

 

[jamestyler]

I mean, yes, I know all about the skeevy merchandising and Alec paying himself a salary and all that, but the timeframe of CBS's lawsuit lines up with the BTS development of Discovery, and there was speculation that a desire to potentially mine the Axanar backstory from TOS in the new series was yet another reason (certainly not a major reason, but still a reason) behind the lawsuit.

No. Fuller wasn't hired until mid-2016. CBS told Peters to back off in August of 2015.

Indeed. And Fuller came in WITH the story.

Is it just me, or is Axanar popping up in threads a bit too regularly these days?

Exactly how is Game of Thrones "nothing like that"? Isn't Game of Thrones an adaptation of The Song of Ice and Fire novel series with roughly each season based on a book of the series? Isn't that what @Spider said and I quoted him?

Game of Thrones is based on a novel. Discovery is not. I know you want to find fault in Discovery in these threads, but you're reaching.

Discovery and the 'novel' thing is just a term, a word that doesn't actually mean all that much. the format they're calling 'novel'-like is the same used in Dexter or Supernatural. Each season has a story. Season ends, story ends. Move onto the next season-long story.

It's not like Game of Thrones at all and just because people keep describing this format as novel-like, doesn't equate it being similar to a show based on an actual novel.

 

[Noname Given]

But CBS's lawsuit still ramped up hard in 2016. Yes, they'd been going after Peters for some time before that, but it escalated around the time Fuller came onboard. Could be a coincidence.

Hardly. CBS/Paramount filed the Lawsuit in December 2015. By March 2015 (even though they had the upper hand going by all the Judge's rulings do far) - they OFFERED Alec Peters the settlement he ultimately took in January 2017 - You know, the one he said he'd NEVER take because it required he stick to the publicly released Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines (you know, the Guidelines HE asked for). He was vowing to take his case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court -- that is until (at Peter's Defense Councils request) - the Judge made a 'Fair Use' determination - of which Axanar failed to meet the legal criteria so their 'Fair Use' claim and defense would be denied if there was a trial; and FURTHER - ruled that the Axanar Production financial records WERE relevant - and could be used as evidence if there was a trial -- and after that ruling, Alec Peters couldn't settle fast enough (Gee, I wonder why...could in be after taking 1.4 million in crowdfundiing and producing nothing for 3 years while attempting to refurbish a warehouse as his own 'for profit' studio - he didn't want his supporters to see where most of the money REALLY went?)

Also, remember the whole Axanar setup including the "Four Years War" WASN'T an original idea from Alec Peters. He too the idea from a STAR TREK - The Roleplaying Game Sourcebook created for said game by FASA (circa 1984) - Here's a Link:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/80485378/Star-Trek-Source-Book-the-Four-Years-War

There was ZERO coincidence. CBS/Paramount had had enough of Alec Peters using their STAR TREK properties to personally profit - all the while claiming his film wasn't a fan film, but a fully independent Star Trek film made by industry professionals. He didn't start calling the project a 'Fan Film' until the Lawsuit hit. Prior to that he was correcting/shouting down anyone who dared refer to 'Axanar' as a fan film.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I am one of the original Axanar "haters" and even I don't want another thread darkened with his crap.
The monster thread in the Fan Productions forum @Leto_II is a good place to ask questions and so is:
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=start

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I know you want to find fault in Discovery in these threads, but you're reaching.

You're wildly speculating about my motives and assigning intent to my posts and to be honest, you're failing miserably. Please don't do it again.