Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?

[Tomalak]

Saavik was originally planned to be Captain Morgan Bateson's first officer on the Bozeman in "Cause and Effect(TNG)," but I'm really glad they didn't do that. She would have traveled to and been stuck in the 24th century seven years before the events of TWOK and TSFS.

It would have been so much easier if he said "2287" instead of "2278"!

 

[cooleddie74]

Or 2288. Yep!

 

[BillJ]

It would have been so much easier if he said "2287" instead of "2278"!

Leave it at 2278. Watch fandom melt down. We'd still be discussing it.

 

[Dukhat]

It would have been so much easier if he said "2287" instead of "2278"!

The thing is, unless they had plans to use Saavik post-Cause & Effect, there would have been absolutely no reason to have Alley or Curtis reprise their role just to have the character stand there and do nothing, much less deal with whatever continuity errors this would cause.

 

[BillJ]

The thing is, unless they had plans to use Saavik post-Cause & Effect, there would have been absolutely no reason to have Alley or Curtis reprise their role just to have the character stand there and do nothing, much less deal with whatever continuity errors this would cause.

"Cause and Effect" was in season six. By that point it was clear Paramount was largely done with the TOS movies and, by and large, its cast. If it is flipped to 2287, then there would literally be no continuity errors to speak of.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Not to be overly nitpicky but it's season 5

 

[BillJ]

Not to be overly nitpicky but it's season 5

Thanks for the correction. Still doesn't really make much of a difference since, at the very least, TUC was coming to the end of its production and being advertised as the last TOS movie. Saavik should've been fair game at that point for any of the productions to use.

I almost said season seven, since the episode has that dull we're out of ideas vibe.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, but again unless there was a specific reason to bring the character into the 24th century, there would be no reason for Saavik to be there. At least with Scotty, they made the entire episode about him. And even after that, we never saw him again. What would they do with Saavik in TNG?

 

[cooleddie74]

The less Berman and TNG did with her character the better. It would have been nothing but a minefield of inconsistencies, and never worth it.

 

[BillJ]

Yes, but again unless there was a specific reason to bring the character into the 24th century, there would be no reason for Saavik to be there.

There's no real reason beyond she became the XO of an unfortunate ship. Does there really need to be anything beyond that?

 

[Dukhat]

There's no real reason beyond she became the XO of an unfortunate ship. Does there really need to be anything beyond that?

If you’re going out of your way to have Alley or Curtis reprise the role, yes. But if she’s just going to stand there in silence in the background, they could have just cast some other actor and said it was Saavik. Or better yet, just don’t make her Saavik, which was what they thankfully chose to do.

 

[Tomalak]

The thing is, unless they had plans to use Saavik post-Cause & Effect, there would have been absolutely no reason to have Alley or Curtis reprise their role just to have the character stand there and do nothing, much less deal with whatever continuity errors this would cause.

What do you mean, "no reason"? The reason would have been a Cheers visual gag.

There was no reason to cast Iggy Pop as a Vorta, but it added to the gaiety of Trekkdom.

It would have been a fun, throwaway appearance, much like Grammar himself.

 

[Dukhat]

What do you mean, "no reason"? The reason would have been a Cheers visual gag.

I get that. But they already had Grammer for that. Did we need Alley? Would we see Wendt and Ratzenberger as officers in the background too?

But seriously, the ‘Cheers’ reference for Alley wouldn’t have worked, because the audience would have connected her with Saavik more than her character in Cheers.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Ending Cause & Effect with a Cheers joke would've been a bizarre choice and I don't reckon it would've improved it at all.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

The thing is, unless they had plans to use Saavik post-Cause & Effect, there would have been absolutely no reason to have Alley or Curtis reprise their role just to have the character stand there and do nothing, much less deal with whatever continuity errors this would cause.

It's possible there might've been a draft where Saavik had one or two lines of dialogue. But the scene as aired doesn't indicate where it might've gone, which shows how unnecessary it was.

Maybe if the roles had been flipped -- Saavik is in the center seat, a first officer played by Grammer is off to the side -- Alley or Curtis might have signed. But then you still run into the problem that the first officer character has no dialogue, in which case Grammer probably would have said no.

Point is, there's nothing in the Bozeman bridge scene that requires anything more than one speaking actor and a bunch of extras. Alley as Saavik would have been a cute addition, sure, but the unnamed, unspeaking, unknown (AFAIK, the actress' name is unknown) extra standing to Grammer's side serves just as well.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Of course Voyager had that Fraiser episode

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[Noname Given]

If you’re going out of your way to have Alley or Curtis reprise the role, yes. But if she’s just going to stand there in silence in the background, they could have just cast some other actor and said it was Saavik. Or better yet, just don’t make her Saavik, which was what they thankfully chose to do.

Robin Curtis played a Romulan masquerading as a Vulcan in TNG S7 Gambit I & II anyway.

If they had her reprise Saavik iwith a background cameo in TNG S5 Cause And Effect, it wouldn't have been that big of a deal.

Hell some fans still argue whether ST:TMP takes place 10 years after the last episode of TOS or 2 years after the last episode of TAS (which would be 4 to 5 years after the last episode of TOS.) <--- My point being there isn't 100% agreement in fandom regarding aspects of the TIS feature film timeline even though in STII: TWoK, Kirk has the line:

"There's a man...(he's referring to Khan)...I haven't seen in 15 years who's trying to kill me..."

And if one places TOS S1 Space Seed in 2267 (aired in 1967), that places TWoK in 2282, and that's where the argument for some about ST:TMP comes in because some think the 1701 did a full 5 year mission after the V'Ger incident and some don't.

But my overall point: The feature film timeline isn't 100% agreed on by ST fandom anyway.

(BTW - STVI:TUC was released in Theatres the same week that TNG S5 Unification II aired in first run syndication. It's why Leonard Nimoy agreed to do one full episode of TNG * yes he's in the last 5 seconds of Unification I too* as he had a line that references the film, and he saw it as a good way to promote the film to TNG fans.)

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Vulcan masquerading as Romulan

 

[Set Harth]

It's why Leonard Nimoy agreed to do one full episode of TNG * yes he's in the last 5 seconds of Unification I too* as he had a line that references the film, and he saw it as a good way to promote the film to TNG fans.)

You love to see it.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

there are probley dozens of alternate earths in the multiverse where kurtzman did not kill legacy