My good God, what have I stumbled upon?!?
Kirk's escapades with Alien Women
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I hope you will excuse me for not posting any links. Just rest assured that it is something real people do for real, not just an exploitative marketing trick for selling more porn.
Plus, damn fun!
Timo Saloniemi
Is this somehow related to furries? And is this something you want to admit to in a public forum?
Whatever made you draw a connection between the people I casually and anonymously mention, and humble me? 
That gorilla thing sounds weirdly interesting - but the link doesn't help, because I'd have to register, and I'm not really doing that on a public forum.
Timo Saloniemi
(Not Joe, but still adding a PS where he idly wonders how somebody versed in furries is out of the loop on the, uh, other things.
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That gorilla thing sounds weirdly interesting - but the link doesn't help, because I'd have to register, and I'm not really doing that on a public forum.
Timo Saloniemi
(Not Joe, but still adding a PS where he idly wonders how somebody versed in furries is out of the loop on the, uh, other things.
)
If an alien chick is hot, she's hot.
I remember Captain Jack Harkness was trying to do the moves on a girl who was, for all essential purposes, an insect. I would not think it beastiality in the the classic sence.
One of my fav lines Jack said:
I'd love to see someone like this in Trek.
I was thinking about that part too. Love Mr. Harkness by the way. Someone like him would be cool in Trek.
As for the dicussion going on here, call me stupid. Lost the track of it...
No, it wouldn't.
But having sex with a sorority girl would.
Joe, Gamma Gamma Gong
They started to edge in that direction with Zefrem Cochrane's little rant in "Metamorphosis", over his disgust that he let the Companion crawl around inside of him and dismay that the others weren't outraged over it.
I don't see it as analogous to inter-racial relationships on earth and I think it's somewhat dangerous to draw that analogy, since the various humanoids of Trek have demonstrably different mental and physical abilities whereas humans share 99.9% of our genetic material and the differences found within races is greater than that found between them. Racism thrives on essentialist ideas that have been largely debunked. Careless SF analogizing is a way to sneak them in through the back door.
I do think Odo's love for Kira was somewhat silly, since he was an entirely different order of being and his humanoid appearance--presumably, his masculinity--was a convention he adopted, a mask. By analogy, I doubt that Shatner would have found Koko's attentions more welcome had he been wearing a gorilla suit.
As far as intelligence goes, a recent episode of House featured a total dick with an IQ well in the genius range who was married to woman with an IQ that put her just above being classified as mentally retarded. As the dick on the show--who was using cough syrup to dumb himself down nearer to her level--said, she was closer to a gibbon in mental ability than he was to her and he said that screwing her w/o the benefit of the tussin would be bestiality.
I do think Odo's love for Kira was somewhat silly, since he was an entirely different order of being and his humanoid appearance--presumably, his masculinity--was a convention he adopted, a mask. By analogy, I doubt that Shatner would have found Koko's attentions more welcome had he been wearing a gorilla suit.
As far as intelligence goes, a recent episode of House featured a total dick with an IQ well in the genius range who was married to woman with an IQ that put her just above being classified as mentally retarded. As the dick on the show--who was using cough syrup to dumb himself down nearer to her level--said, she was closer to a gibbon in mental ability than he was to her and he said that screwing her w/o the benefit of the tussin would be bestiality.
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It's kind of hard not to see them as races, though, as problematic as that can be. They talk and act and prance about so exactly like humans that the notion they're from another planet often seems completely identical. I rewatched "Ensign Ro" this morning, and what struck me was the absurdity of people reacting to the idea her name order was different from the norm.
You know, forget the fact that's how names are ordered in the Far East (did that stop in Star Trek's future? Hmmm), she's a freaking alien. Weird, bizarre biologies and cultural practices and names and modes of communication should be expected, even one this banal. Maybe she's Paul to you, Maud'Dib to everyone else and Usul to close friends, who knows how this is supposed to work?
But here she's just a troubled girl with a dent on her nose and it's a big deal that her name isn't exactly like everyone elses. What sort of aggressive, all-encompassing homogenity has been released upon the galaxy, exactly? Eddington may have been onto something when he said the Federation was the Borg.
But; so. When dealing with alien species we inevitably make the racial/national comparison because it's the only real world one we've got - a different species to us is the baboon or the orang-utan or the gorrilla. But a group of people who are intelligent, who can talk back to us, and who have different ways and look different to us? The only point of comparison we have is a race or nation-state. Races and nation-states are also a conveinent source of stuff to pillage for ideas; which is why a lot of aliens in Star Trek look more than slightly like repurposed historical cultures (the Romulans glaringly so in "The Balance of Terror").
Which does leave us with a rather festering can of worms, I'll concede.
It's kind of hard not to see them as races, though, as problematic as that can be. They talk and act and prance about so exactly like humans that the notion they're from another planet often seems completely identical. I rewatched "Ensign Ro" this morning, and what struck me was the absurdity of people reacting to the idea her name order was different from the norm.
You know, forget the fact that's how names are ordered in the Far East (did that stop in Star Trek's future? Hmmm), she's a freaking alien. Weird, bizarre biologies and cultural practices and names and modes of communication should be expected, even one this banal. Maybe she's Paul to you, Maud'Dib to everyone else and Usul to close friends, who knows how this is supposed to work?
But here she's just a troubled girl with a dent on her nose and it's a big deal that her name isn't exactly like everyone elses. What sort of aggressive, all-encompassing homogenity has been released upon the galaxy, exactly? Eddington may have been onto something when he said the Federation was the Borg.
But; so. When dealing with alien species we inevitably make the racial/national comparison because it's the only real world one we've got - a different species to us is the baboon or the orang-utan or the gorrilla. But a group of people who are intelligent, who can talk back to us, and who have different ways and look different to us? The only point of comparison we have is a race or nation-state. Races and nation-states are also a conveinent source of stuff to pillage for ideas; which is why a lot of aliens in Star Trek look more than slightly like repurposed historical cultures (the Romulans glaringly so in "The Balance of Terror").
Which does leave us with a rather festering can of worms, I'll concede.
But, you know, Star Trek. We live in a future where such prejudices no longer exist (...mostly), and so on and so forth. We did get the implication Spock had a difficult childhood because he's inter-species, but that's about it. Maybe an episode about the prejudice felt about people from Planet A about marrying with people from Planet B, I guess.
Robin Williams had a not-dissimilar experience with Koko.
If I can find a youtube link, I'll post it.
If I can find a youtube link, I'll post it.
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It's been a while since I studied biology, but doesn't species classification have something to do with the ability to produce viable offspring? We have seen a few successful reasults of intermating on Star Trek; Spock, B'Ellana, K'eylar etc.
Maybe the TNG episode "The Chase" that is so vilified, actually had a point of sorts?
The Klingons too in ST:VI TUC.
"The Federation is nothing more than a homosapiens-only club."
Maybe the TNG episode "The Chase" that is so vilified, actually had a point of sorts?
The Klingons too in ST:VI TUC.
"The Federation is nothing more than a homosapiens-only club."
One theory IIRC suggested by Gene himself is that Spock was an artificially born child. This doesn't stop us from having accidental trans-species pregnancies, like Samantha Wildman with her daughter Naomi.
It had a point, to be sure. Even ignoring the whole interbreeding thing there's the inescapable conclusion that there are a lot of humanoid aliens running about apparently completely unrelated. We have more genetically in common with sperm whales, supposedly, than we do Vulcans.
It had a point, to be sure. Even ignoring the whole interbreeding thing there's the inescapable conclusion that there are a lot of humanoid aliens running about apparently completely unrelated. We have more genetically in common with sperm whales, supposedly, than we do Vulcans.
Not even that. I don't mean only being humans, I mean a cultural uniformity that extends to all species they touch. Root beer, as Quark put it.
^^That's what I assumed, too (did they comment about Spock's creation on the show?) - but then we had Sela. A Human/Romulan and I can't imagine that a Romulan would go to so much trouble just to have a child with a POW. So this one was apparently an "accident".
Doesn't need to negate that idea. We already know that Klingons are a better match for Romulans than Vulcans at least for given blood types (this is basically essential for the plot of "The Enemy"). Romulans may be more compatible with humans for some no doubt bizarre reason.
How do you explain Bajorans and Cardassians having children without any effort, or even by accident? Even if you argue that Tora Naprem was trying to get pregnant with Dukat, there's no way this could have been the case with Mika, the maried cultist from DS9 "Covenant" - neither she nor Dukat would have any reasons to want that to happen, and had lots of reasons to NOT want it to happen.
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