What kinds of imaginary social crusades might you be referring to here?
Kira as the only female cast member in Season 7
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What kinds of imaginary social crusades might you be referring to here?
Animal rights, saving cats from trees, freeing lab animals, LGBT issues, abortions, PC, feminism, vegetarianism, micro-aggression issues, oversensitivity, you name it, all these beautiful First-World problems that make no sense for the rest of the world.
The thread was about Ezri Dax, what caused her insertion, whether it was necessary, what were the reasons for that. Producers want to please as many social groups as possible, they use analytics, ratings, social surveys. Fans think about their likes and dislikes, about seeing more of their favorite characters but in fact, each character is well calculated in terms of social resonance and possible plotline alterations. A harangue on feminism will hardly change this.
The thread was about Ezri Dax, what caused her insertion, whether it was necessary, what were the reasons for that. Producers want to please as many social groups as possible, they use analytics, ratings, social surveys. Fans think about their likes and dislikes, about seeing more of their favorite characters but in fact, each character is well calculated in terms of social resonance and possible plotline alterations. A harangue on feminism will hardly change this.
It takes all sorts, if you don’t like it, don’t watch it. There are soup operas, chick lit, Disney cartoons and so on. How many women do you expect on a military installation during wartime? How many women choose military careers although they have the right to do it? I guess they will always be fewer than men.
You er realise which side of the argument I am on right?
And as to Sarkesian etc...well, there's the whole #killallwhitemen thing that I consider misandrist and part of the distasteful aspect of the modern brand of third wave feminism. (not all feminists, not all third wave feminists, just the extremist ones who are as bad as that they claim to be fighting against. There are enough other examples around but hey, this is trekland.)
And Sarkesian? Read enough, seen enough, heart enough, I think the complete missing the point of her tweeting a picture of Rise from dancing all night and the failure to understand what she was tweeting in the context she used it, and the spectacular missing the point of characters and technology with her use of Tomb Raider in her most recent video, demonstrates, to my mind, that she is....fundamentally flawed in her approach or argument.
But hey, y'know, I didn't give up the thread, Because as someone else pointed out, walking away from things because of idiots who bandy around 'bitch' and 'slut' like they are everyday conversational descriptors, without a trace of irony or defensible context....well there's a report button right.
So. Next time...pay attention 007.
So not torturing living things, treating people equally and opposing government and religious interference with a woman's body are all imaginary social crusades that shouldn't be taken seriously?
That's quite something.
Says the guy behind the computer in the first world who would never consider living in the third world. Ask yourself why that is.
Let me guess you're really, really good at video games but really, really bad at holding a conversation with a woman.
Well said, though the lack of the Oxford comma is bugging me.So not torturing living things, treating people equally and opposing government and religious interference with a woman's body are all imaginary social crusades that shouldn't be taken seriously?
That's quite something.
On top, I liked Ezri, and I think that they did about as well as they could with her character. I think that she did add something valuable to the last season: a non-veteran "innocent" character who was more relateable than the badass veteran crew that was getting worn down by the war effort.
I'm a woman and the structural sexism in our society is an everyday problem for me. And you're just discarding these issues feminism deals with as "first world problems"?
That might be the most disgusting, arrogant and oblivious shit I've read all week. The privilege is strong in your post. I'm a little tired of all that misogynistic bullshit you keep writing here. You do realize that nonsense doesn't fly on this site, right?
I have yet to meet any feminist who is actually serious about this. The whole misandry meme is a satire meant as a parody on misogyny. I can't believe you haven't noticed that.
In any case even that is a pretty irrelevant part of modern feminism so I'm not sure why you're even mentioning it.
No need for male tears here. Modern feminism is still about equality and that's in the interest of men and women. Plenty of men identify as feminists and that's a great thing for all of us. Feminism has also expanded to deal with race and trans issues, too, so that's even better.
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Kind of strange to suggest that stuff like being murdered for who you are is a First World problem.
But you couldn't help yourself, I guess.
Since you seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth(keyboard?), it's hard to tell.
If you consider Anita Sarkeesian the harbinger of modern misandry, I don't know what to tell you. She's about as tame as feminism gets, so if she manages to draw your ire I'd say you're not on the side you're trying to imply you're on.
There is something to be said for community members setting norms rather than relying on mods to always lay the smack down.
shouldn't had killed jadzia ,just transferred to somewhere and have he as a recurring character
They kind of played around with that in that original TNG episode that introduced the Trill, didn't they?
Honestly, I liked de Boer, but I think at the end of the day I would have preferred to get her simply as her own fully new character. The whole Dax thing felt weird. Like they were afraid of setting up a new character so late in the show, so they just did a "poof she's Dax now!" bit to avoid too much new character development. I could be wrong. Someone may have seen the chance for this great character arc or something. But at least for me, it seemed to take more away from the character than it added. We were in a season long war. Just give us the cheery new Ensign and let us see the horrors of a space war through her eyes. Making her Dax just made it feel like her character was interchangeable.
Heck I suspect that the whole Trill/Jadzia Dax concept was something that looked better on paper back at the start then it did in practical application as the series progressed. It was a character feature that was hard to utilize well as understanding it required a bit of expository dialogue most times it came to the forefront. Explaining who Kerzan (sp?) was etc. It wasn't a character feature that had much in the way of non verbal queues to it. She wasn't a character that a newcomer could channel surf to and have any clue what was going on just from the one episode. For everyone else the backstory was depth, but all the need to know information could be derived either visually or in seconds.
I'm not saying Dax was in any way a bad character. She was one of my favorites. I especially loved how Terry Farrell played the role. It's just I always felt the core Trill aspects often got lost in the writing in favor of keeping it simple. So most of the time to a casual fan she was just a pretty confident Starfleet Officer who had a long friendship with Sisco. In short she was a friendlier version of Spock in a dress. Whenever they did attempt to shoehorn actual Trill elements in it often felt awkward. Ending with the awkwardness of Ezri.
(Note; This is just my subjective opinion. What I thought worked and didn't work about the Trill characters. please put down the torches and pitchforks.)
No, but maybe they should have killed her better?
(Sorry, I'm so sorry.)
1. Worf gets drunk, wakes up next to a corpse, and he's adamant that it's not his fault... But it's totally his fault.
2. Dukat takes the Simbiont. Her body shuts down and dies.
3. She says to Dumar "I'll make love to you if you please stop strangling me!" and then she dies.
4. (Only) Jadzia is mindwiped, so Kurzon takes over, and leaves to sort his own shit out, now that he's a girl and in charge.
5. Flame thrower. Melted face, arm turned into charcoal brisket, so she's just uncontrollably screaming. Other adventures are happening, and now and then we go back to watch Jadzia die loudly and slowly.
6. Lost in time. A 2000 years older Dax shows up and says that he/she is ready to win this war.
7. Flayed into bloody ribbons by Founders who'd turned their hands into several razor sharp cat'o'9'tails whips.
8. Her Klingon baby doesn't recognize Mommy (and Simbiont) as Not-Food so just starts eating until they're all dead.
9. Holodeck accident. Eaten by dragon, while dressed as medieval princess.
10. Transporter accident. The simbiont and her face/head swap places, and although it takes Jadzia's head a few minutes to drown trapped in her abdomen, that's time enough to run and bounce uncontrollably into and off walls banging around like a pinball in a pinball machine.
(Sorry, I'm so sorry.)
1. Worf gets drunk, wakes up next to a corpse, and he's adamant that it's not his fault... But it's totally his fault.
2. Dukat takes the Simbiont. Her body shuts down and dies.
3. She says to Dumar "I'll make love to you if you please stop strangling me!" and then she dies.
4. (Only) Jadzia is mindwiped, so Kurzon takes over, and leaves to sort his own shit out, now that he's a girl and in charge.
5. Flame thrower. Melted face, arm turned into charcoal brisket, so she's just uncontrollably screaming. Other adventures are happening, and now and then we go back to watch Jadzia die loudly and slowly.
6. Lost in time. A 2000 years older Dax shows up and says that he/she is ready to win this war.
7. Flayed into bloody ribbons by Founders who'd turned their hands into several razor sharp cat'o'9'tails whips.
8. Her Klingon baby doesn't recognize Mommy (and Simbiont) as Not-Food so just starts eating until they're all dead.
9. Holodeck accident. Eaten by dragon, while dressed as medieval princess.
10. Transporter accident. The simbiont and her face/head swap places, and although it takes Jadzia's head a few minutes to drown trapped in her abdomen, that's time enough to run and bounce uncontrollably into and off walls banging around like a pinball in a pinball machine.
Yes, for a minute, it wasn't really explored.
DS9 also kind of did it with Curzon but he barely appeared and Dax havi g had male hosts was mentioned but it never really impacted the series.
Having a male Dax as a series regular would have been different, it would have allowed to really explore how a joined trill switching sex would affect people from their former hosts life. Is Julian's attraction still there? Was it just physical and is gone now that Dax has a male body or does he still see the person he liked in the new host?
How does the new host deal with memories of being intimate with Worf? How does Worf react to another person having all of his wife's memories?They did that with Ezri but let's be honest, the scenes would have played much differently if Dax had become a guy instead of going from a hot chick to another hot chick.
By LA standards Nicole De Boer is not a 10.
The industry rules (at the time) were that an actress who is only that attractive (small boobs) is supposed to stay relegated to playing the quirky adorable best friend who might be attractive if she ever washes her hair and takes her glasses off.
(An LA 6 is an Idaho 15.)
The industry rules (at the time) were that an actress who is only that attractive (small boobs) is supposed to stay relegated to playing the quirky adorable best friend who might be attractive if she ever washes her hair and takes her glasses off.
(An LA 6 is an Idaho 15.)
We would still be stuck, though, with the problem of introducing and developing a new character in the last season. And it certainly would not have resolved any gender imbalances caused by Farrell leaving.
Tora Ziyal may have been dead, and she may have already have been played by 3 different actresses, but what about a fourth (Mirror) Ziyal actress named Nicole De Boer?
That is sick and twisted ... in a good way.
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